Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> but I am shamelessly trying to up the post count on this thread as I started it on another Disney site and as of last check was in the 200 post neighborhood. So ... let's all try harder. Unless you want to talk politics? << <<It's up to over 300 now. Do I get extra points for posting on both?>> I was VERY plesantly surprised to see you over on that other site, dear minion. I honestly though can't believe that they are headed toward 400 (without me stuffing the ballot box) and here the thread is kinda dead. Frankly, the whole board here is kinda dead. I guess I am not the only one who is pretty bored with WDW's stale offerings. <<I'll be up for a good political debate in about 2 weeks. I think I should be over the shock of the election by then, hopefully.>> I have no desire to discuss anything political at this point. I am happy about last night. A little bit of faith in the American people and our system of electing leaders has been restored to me. My only shock is that it was such a landslide. If I were Prez Elect Obama, I'd be making a call to thank 'W' ... because I don't believe he would have been elected, and certainly not so easily, if people weren't so disgusted by what a state that faux-Texan has put us in.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> So who did post #32? I haven't seen red around here for a long time. << <<I don't know, but my instinct tells me it involved name calling of a certain poster on here. I just wish they would leave those things up so we all had a chance to ridicule them. >> I dunno, but if it was someone calling me names I'd have liked to have seen it. I'm a big spirit and names don't hurt me. Bad shellfish can take me out, though.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Spirit, you have to be one of the most depressing people I have ever read posts from. With all that is going on in the country right now, never mind the world, how do you find the time to dedicate to such negative thinking?>> OK, so the country and the planet are a mess (we're in agreement there, right?) and you find my posts about WDW depressing? Sounds like you need to get your priorties straight. <<You must have been that kid who never got the buck rodgers toy ray gun for Christmas.>> My deepest, darkest shame ... outed on a Disney discussion board ... please excuse me while I go eat 56 sleeping pills with a gallon of vodka! <<Disney is going to continue to make quality product, you just have to patient.>> The questions is whether they're going to make quality products at WDW. I have total faith they can and will make quality products elsewhere. And, no, after sitting thru years of largely forgettable crap (from Imagination 2.0 and 3.0 to Mission Space, yeah they tried on that one but failed spectacularly, to SGE to MILF to DinoLand to Aladdin's spinner etc ...) I don't have to be patient. They lost that from me a good 5-6 years ago. Too much crap piled on pooh piled on turd passed off as new and magical experiences. <<You are the one who constantly argues with people when they talk about upcoming project rumors, and then you go ahead and get upset when disney doesn't give you any upcoming project rumors to complain about.>> I don't quite understand the above. Rest assured, if Disney were about to make a lot of positive substanitive changes and additions I'd be touting them hear with bells and whistles. I don't get excited by the building of timeshares. Or free tickets on my B-Day. Or American Idol. <<Don't worry, WDW is doing a bunch of things that you will be able to flash your annual pass at to get a sneek peek.>> Really? Like what? <<I am sure you already heard about the annual pass 3d exclusive for the osbourne family spectacle of lights.>> No biggee. It's a light show ... a nice one. But it isn't exactly new or fresh. <<Spirit, I got nothing against you, you are probably a nice person outside of all of this, but you need to stop attacking disney for no reason.>> I'm actually a terrible person who beats nuns for fun and microwaves kitties even when I am not hungry. And I don't 'attack' Disney for no reason. I criticize and I do where it is very called for.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I love the Disney company- but right now I do not like it at all...>> I think I agree with that sentiment. I am so tired of them being so reactionary. Go back to setting the standard and doing the impossible. WalMarting the product into The Timeshare Kingdom of the World is just a very quick scheme to fill the coffers and, in this economy, it's not the sure fire cash cow it was in 2005.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I feel DL should be, but it is not marketted as such internationally (in Europe not many under 40 even know there is a DL in California)>> DL absolutely is to anyone who understands history and what that place has meant to the world. But corporate has basically decreed that the MK is the flagship of the park chain just as the GF is the flagship of the hotel chain. Quality isn't a factor in either of those decisions either.
Originally Posted By MPierce All of those wouldn't it be nice sayings of yours Spirit made me want to break into a Beach Boys tune!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> have no desire to discuss anything political at this point. I am happy about last night. A little bit of faith in the American people and our system of electing leaders has been restored to me. << Why were you excited I told you what the outcome was going to be months ago. I just wonder how long this Joyus Honeymoon will last, and the people realize that unchecked politicians from both parties got us into this mess.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Disney is going to continue to make quality product, you just have to patient. << Qustion: What did one buzzard say to the other buzzard while cicling a injured deer? Answer: Patients HELL, I want to kill something! Losers, and also rans sit on the side lines, while leaders act. Disney use to be innovative, and set the extremely high standards for themselves that others would have to try, and achieve. It seems now that Disney is content on sitting around hoping that they don't have to act. They rely on their past reputation rather than creating even higher standards for the Millions of Disney fans. They are becoming a cheap imitation of the great vision that their founder Walt Disney had. They are acting like a bunch of slick, stiff suits that no longer have the vision nor the magic that is Disney.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I am keen to start a campaign, Let's Put the Walt back into Disney!
Originally Posted By MPierce I really think that would be a great idea. The only problem seems to be the powers that be seem to only want to have Remember the Magic campaignes, while over looking what actually creates the Magic.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Maybe they have all these Remember the Magic campaigns because they haven't created much for a while. All we have in Florida is our memories!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<All of those wouldn't it be nice sayings of yours Spirit made me want to break into a Beach Boys tune!>> Let's all grab our boards and head to the beach! <<Why were you excited I told you what the outcome was going to be months ago. I just wonder how long this Joyus Honeymoon will last, and the people realize that unchecked politicians from both parties got us into this mess.>> Well ... some of us believe that one party (and one individual) was more to blame. And I don't expect a honeymoon, but I do expect a lot more people in this country are going to feel a lot more empowered and a whole lot less hopeless and on the sidelines ... and that can only lead to more action, which can only help all Americans. I still can't believe that an African-American won a landslide election in George Bush's Walmarted America. I think we grew up ... if only a bit it was a significant bit. I can only tell you that I feel like a cloud has lifted and whether that is reality or in my head or (most likely) a bit of both, it doesn't matter. It's amazing what a change of attitude can do ...
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Losers, and also rans sit on the side lines, while leaders act. Disney use to be innovative, and set the extremely high standards for themselves that others would have to try, and achieve. It seems now that Disney is content on sitting around hoping that they don't have to act. They rely on their past reputation rather than creating even higher standards for the Millions of Disney fans. They are becoming a cheap imitation of the great vision that their founder Walt Disney had. They are acting like a bunch of slick, stiff suits that no longer have the vision nor the magic that is Disney.>> <<The only problem seems to be the powers that be seem to only want to have Remember the Magic campaignes, while over looking what actually creates the Magic.>> I don't have anything at all to add. These words say it all and deserve to be repeated!
Originally Posted By Bob Paris "I can only tell you that I feel like a cloud has lifted and whether that is reality or in my head or (most likely) a bit of both, it doesn't matter." Sir, I can tell YOU that here, even in Perth Western Australia, about as far away from the US as you can get, people seemed to be smiling a little bit more today. EVERYBODY I spoke with in the last 36 hours said how happy they were Obama was elected. I have been extremely down on the US for the last few years. I will admit that started after the '04 shame when the Monkey was re-elected. I actually felt let down by America. A lot of the rest of the world WANTS to like America. God knows I grew up idolizing it. Our faith had fallen because of the past eight years. People are feeling a whole lot better about the US right now. This is your opportunity. Do NOT mess it up.....for ALL of our sakes.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>I have been extremely down on the US for the last few years. I will admit that started after the '04 shame when the Monkey was re-elected. I actually felt let down by America. A lot of the rest of the world WANTS to like America. God knows I grew up idolizing it. Our faith had fallen because of the past eight years.<<< Hey Bob, you are not alone. As an American, I felt that way too. And maybe WDW annoys me so much because it is surrounded by Bush's enclave.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris Even though I was born in 1970, I have this incredibly strange feeling of deja vu back to the early '60's and Kennedy. You, handsome democrat with beautiful wife and young family, coming in with an incredibly positive attitude. It feels like Camelot is returning and that is compounded by the fact that not only do we lose the monkey in a few months, but, perhaps more importantly, we are also rid of the assorted machiavellian puppet masters surrounding him. It feels like a cleansing wave is sweeping through the White House and Palpatine is being thrown into the reactor core.
Originally Posted By brerroadrunner Bob Paris-Why don't you go start a thread "why every one hates America". Bush is not the reason every other country hates America. 911 wasn't because countries hated Bush. The first WTC bombing didn't even occur in Bush's term. Now we have another President and First Lady who have no pride in what America stands for. Let's talk in four years when this country is really in bad shape. At least You won't be taxed to death! You might even have some extra dollars to visit WDW, because I know I won't! I know this isn't the popular view on this site, but I take my chances. At least we are still free to voice an opinion, for awhile.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Hmmmm, do I answer or don't I? Gosh, I can't resist. There has always been some sentiments of anti americanism in the world, but as an American living in Europe, I can quite honestly say it has never been stronger than the last 8 years that crook has been on Penn Ave. >>>Now we have another President and First Lady who have no pride in what America stands for.<<< I would totally disagree. But then, that is freedom of speech. >>>Let's talk in four years when this country is really in bad shape.<<< Worse than now??? I hope not. California was feeling 2nd world on our last trip home earlier this year. >>>You might even have some extra dollars to visit WDW<<< Maybe, but I wouldn't spend them there when there are better Disney resorts around the globe to spend the cash. >>> At least we are still free to voice an opinion, for awhile.<<< Funny, I thought the Patriot Act coupled with Dixie Chicks gate took that away. I suspect people will be much more free to voice their opinions than the coming years. One can only hope.
Originally Posted By brerroadrunner As far as the original start of this thread....We do not look at WDW from a firt time visiters eyes, and if we did, we would most likely see things so much differently. You would see all the magic that is still there. Since most of us have been numerous times, it does not have the same affect, and now you notice a whole lot more. After your initial viit, the second visit you see something you didn't the first time, and the same with your third visit, so by the time you visit as many times as Spirit, most magic has been experienced if not all, and the only things that really stand out are all the imperfections you didn't notice your first few times. People coming through the gates their first times still get that wonderful magical experience we all once had. I do not doubt things are not up to par as they used to be, I only started going in 95. Maybe Disney doesn't need the long time very frequent return guest who picks at everything. Maybe they just want to cater to all new people. Not really a smart business plan, though.
