Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 101 Dalmatians hoping that they can get their relatives to fill rooms at WDW (see new thread).
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Well ... some of us believe that one party (and one individual) was more to blame. << >> I never said there is only one person or one party to blame. I do, however, place a large share of blame at Bush's feet. << You win on a tecnicality Spirit. However you over look the leaders of the House, and Senate finacial committees. The Senate, and House majority leaders, and the clear bi-partisan members of said body's. Yes the President should take a heaping big portion of blame. He has consistently failed to provide the leadership this country needs. He has shown absolutely no fiscal responsibility while in office. He has been a horrible President and very few will be sorry to see him go. That said both parties share in the recession period we are about to enter if we aren't already there. I just expect you to show that unbias attitude you keep talking about. We both agreed that the bail-out of Wall Street was a joke, and I believe the rest of the nation sees that now, as the economy slowly slips into the toilet after a partial rebound. Just remember that it was supported, and introduced by both parties. A large number of Republicans, as well as Democrats saw the socialistic approach of this unprecedented step, a few even paid for their stance by being ousted from office. So it is my true belief that unchecked policys by both parties lead to the finacial situation that we now find ourselves in. >> I don't know if you are speaking of me ... or folks in general here or what. << I'm speaking of some folks in general. I tried not to put it on to much of a personal bases, how ever I did feel it necessary to point to you on your religious statement. I respect your opinion Spirit I really do, but that kind of statement was completely uncalled for in this kind of forum. The only reason I brought it up is because it was not the first time it has happened. >> really hope you calm down, MPierce. You don't want to go all loco emotional like my pal Nikki The Educator. << Believe me I am calm. I just don't find the necessity to bring up religion or politics in any of my post unless in response to someone else. Do you really feel the loco emotional or The Educator was necessary Spirit. I really do respect others opinions. I feel there is always a need for Spirited debates on different subjects, not hateful personal attacks that have seemed to find their way into a forum on WDW. >> If I weren't so filled with humanity and a sense of revultion for what is happening, I wouldn't be angry. I'd be one of the apathtic sheep who sleepwalk through their days and lives ... that's not this spirit. << Passion about such things is very understandable, however I do not feel that this is the place for it. >> Now, I only hope that my thread hasn't totally been murdered here. << It got a lot more hits, and I am more than willing to see this thread get back on track.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Hello, I haven't been here much the last few days, lots of meetings at work. Is this still the WDW area of LP? At least mr x didn't show up here. I usually enjoy when a thread takes a side step, but this really does sound like WE. I voiced an opinion there once, I'll never go back again.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros "I really hope you calm down, MPierce. You don't want to go all loco emotional like my pal Nikki The Educator." For one, I would have to say that yet again, I really don't think we need to have a ton of personal attacks here. After reading post 97, I would also like to say that it was in no way upset. It was simply stating a point of view that was different from your own, and quite consistant with the Community Standards of these boards. MPierce, thank you for writing post 97. There's a lot of stuff in there that needed to be said, and I really hope that it didn't fall on deaf ears. It brings up many things that I was thinking, but couldn't really find a good way to say them. Be reassured that you're not the only one that feels that way. "Is this still the WDW area of LP?" It is, but it sure has brought up a bunch of not-so-ordinary discussions this week. It seems like after the elections ended, WE let loose and attacked WDW. It's interesting that it doesn't seem to have affected the DLR, DLP, TDR, or HKDLR boards. Hopefully this is just a temporary thing and not a permanent change in the wind. If it is, I don't think I will be visiting the WDW section any more.
Originally Posted By brerroadrunner I too thank MPierce for post 97. There has been too much hatred throuwn around about the soon to be past administration. That sort of hatred began before Bush even took office and grew. We need good things to come from the next administration(I doubt it will). But this economy has got to get better or WDW will really start to suffer. You will begin to see more and more changes here and not for the better. You think there are cut backs now... How's Austrailia looking these days?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo All I wil say at this point is I respect your views. My comments are how I feel and were in response to other political posts on this thread. Those of you who have not travelled outside the US in the last few years will not have experienced the hatred and prejudice brought on by the premiere. Nor the questions of the integrity of our country and democracy in genral. I love America, and that is why I will state my opinion (the only personal attack was on Bush). Why does it only crop up on the WDW boards? Well I put this down to 2 key things, firstly, the decline at WDW is in step with the decline of the US probably more than any other resort. The second thing is, the people who oft frequent WDW and probably these boards, are statistially more likely to support the Bush regime (or the GOP) and hence the attrition on here. Now I hve two choices: I stay in here and speak my mind about the resorts (and anything else that comes up in conversation) or I go and leave you to love fest for WDW. The latter is easier perhaps and the one that would make you all happier. But then the cons and DIsney execs in Fla win, and I can't bear that. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And that means if I want to call Bush prof of the missing link, that's my perogative so long as it does not contravene community standards. and if you want to be offended and retort, that is also your perogotive. But I would rather get back on topic. To my mind, I really believe if WDW focused more on maintenance, cast training and adding WoW attractions and service again, they would provide a much, much better eperience for all that would improve the bottom line.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Why Oh Why to the same people constantly bring up politics on this area? Is it imposible for Spirit to make it through a post without invoking a negativism toward our sitting President or Republicans in general. Its not as if there isn't an entire area completely devoted to politics on this board to begin with! I'm getting so fed up with it. It just seems extremely apparent to me that some people who I imagine are just bored with WE find it necessary to make their way into WDW General just to create political arguements here. Yes, I said arguements. I'm am also fed up with so called independents on this Board convene like a pack of wolves hell bent on attacking anyone who doesn't share the same political thought as they do. I guess posting their vile messages in WE isn't enough, or perhaps has gone unnoticed long enough by the moderators that they feel enboldend enough to take their political attacks elsewhere on this Board, suck as WDW. I'm just absolutely fed up with political attacks here. KEEP IN IN WORLD EVENTS!
Originally Posted By FerretAfros "The second thing is, the people who oft frequent WDW and probably these boards, are statistially more likely to support the Bush regime (or the GOP) and hence the attrition on here." If the people who would be visiting the WDW boards are more likely to support the President, why would that make them be leaving the boards? The only thing I can think of it is that it is some subliminal way to attack people whose ideas are different than yours, since it seems that all of them have vacated World Events. "Now I have two choices: I stay in here and speak my mind about the resorts (and anything else that comes up in conversation) or I go and leave you to love fest for WDW." I would like you to stay and speak your mind about WDW. When applicable, politics can be brought into the conversation, but keep it relevant. In general, I have noticed that you don't tend to start things, but don't do much to stop them either. But if it's a converstation about how there's a fountain that's not working, or even when they will be adding a new AA to an attraction (even if the attraction features politicians, but is more about the American spirit than the politics of the individuals featured in it), think about how nessecary the comments are. I'm all for hijacking threads and letting them evolve into different converstaions, but if they are going to be political things that just get people upset, let's leave that for WE.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Fair point FA, I am a little stupid at times in life. I tend to focus on points that are raised and do a knee jerk reaction to respond rather than looking at the big picture. I suppose I have to let so many things slide in the career world, I kind of let my emotions run riot on boards. If there is something I disagree with (or more constructively) can add a facet to, I will. Now, back on topic, I really hope these new DVC accommodations are fantastic, so that they are a draw in themselves. I really do think WDW management need to develop and share a vision that is in step with the public's expectations, otherwise, the resort is going to have growing problems.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros At this point, I just hope they're able to sell them. They're about to open two huge new expansions in WDW (AKL and Contemporary), along with the GCH at DL, and I think they're still trying to sell Saratoga Springs. With the economy the way it is, I really wonder how long it will take to sell all (or even enough to break even) of the units.
Originally Posted By dshyates Since I have NO interest in condos I have lost interest in Disney's Condo Kingdom. And now I hear that the Monsters Inc. Kiddie coaster is on hold until after the recession. Wow. A kiddie coaster is gonna break the bank? How much did they spend on Bay Lake Tower? How's that sellin'?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I think that's the point, the DVC units are revenue centres, the attractions are almost viewed as cost centres or PR/Marketting to my mind. I am happy about the GCH and Hawaii expansions however, it makes DVC almost worth it again.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Now, back on topic, I really hope these new DVC accommodations are fantastic, so that they are a draw in themselves. I really do think WDW management need to develop and share a vision that is in step with the public's expectations, otherwise, the resort is going to have growing problems. << I'm sure they will be. All of the DVC's I've been in seem to be well done, and in a nice location. I'm just concerned with the overbuilding aspects of the whole DVC concept.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> At this point, I just hope they're able to sell them. They're about to open two huge new expansions in WDW (AKL and Contemporary), along with the GCH at DL, and I think they're still trying to sell Saratoga Springs. With the economy the way it is, I really wonder how long it will take to sell all (or even enough to break even) of the units. << I think that has Disney concerned also. I just can't see a lot of people ready to commit to that kind of large, and long term investment right now. They are not only still trying to sell SS, don't forget the rebuilding of the Treehouses that will also add to the inventory. I just can't believe that Disney decided to expand DVC so much at this particular time. It almost makes me wonder if they have silent investors in these projects.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Since I have NO interest in condos I have lost interest in Disney's Condo Kingdom. And now I hear that the Monsters Inc. Kiddie coaster is on hold until after the recession. Wow. A kiddie coaster is gonna break the bank? How much did they spend on Bay Lake Tower? How's that sellin'? << I think Disney is going to put a lot of things on hold. They seem to be content to wait, and see how the public is going to react. To my way of thinking now is the time for bold agressive action on their part. Now is the time they should reestablish themselves as the leaders in the family entertainment field. I guess that's pretty bold talk coming from an uninformed guy that doesn't have his neck on the chopping block. However DL, as well as WDW were both started with bold moves. I think they are making a mistake not continueing in that direction.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>> However DL, as well as WDW were both started with bold moves. I think they are making a mistake not continueing in that direction.<<< Indeed it was Disney's bold moves to originate and push the envelope that made me the Disney obsessive, never the toons. Sadly my obsession is becoming obsolete as Disney has forgotten their roots. Let's put the Walt back into Disney!
Originally Posted By MPierce ^^^ I really do like your campaign slogan Dave. It pretty much saids it all. I wish more people would feel that way. I know it seems old to some people to think what would Walt do, but the man was a true visionary in the field of good wholesome family styled entertainment. I still remember as a young lad watching the Wonderful World of Disney, and the Mickey Mouse Club (I still fantasize about Cheryl). I longed to visit DL so badly to enter that Magic. Now we have WDW, a stunningly beautiful, huge multiple Park, and Resort area. Something I wouldn't even be able to comprehend as a child. I should be happy to have something like that to be able to attend, but I'm not. I once was very happy, but with time some of those feelings started to slip away. Call it the MAGIC for lack of a better word. I still think it's there, but it's being covered up by Cheap Wall Street Promotional Campaigns. Every year there is some lame change of a slogan unless they want to milk it even further like the never ending Year of a Million Dreams. I feel like I'm watching the Directors cut of that Promo now. Guest don't want Promo's, they really want the Magic that Walt gave them. I certainly hope the powers at Disney start remembering their roots, and give the guest what Walt did. Real honest to goodness Magic, day in, and day out. It's not to late to start now. So I agree with you Dave. Let's put the Walt back into Disney!
