Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 She acted like a silly teenager...which she is. What she wrote was not true, and it was disrespectful. That said, she is legally an adult, even if she is still in school, and she has the right to voice her opinions, no matter how juvenile they may be. No one would have ever paid any attention to an 18 year old girl saying something stupid if a) the Governor's staff weren't stupid enough to make an issue out of what she said and b) if the principal wasn't dumb enough to think there wouldn't be a reaction to his trying to curtail freedom of speech. I believe (although I am not 100% certain) that unless what she wrote was considered illegal hate speech, a threat of some kind, or harassment (bullying), the school cannot to anything about what she says or posts online outside of school, and even if she posted while in school, the most they could probably bust her for is being on Twitter in school if that is against the rules.
Originally Posted By andyll <<What she wrote was not true,>> My understanding that even many republicans think the governor sucks. <<she has the right to voice her opinions, no matter how juvenile they may be.>> Most political discourse is at that level including here in the WE. "I hope that the governor realizes the power of the people and how people can make things happen," she said. "I also hope he will spend his time doing more productive things." ... "I hope there won't be any consequences and that my principal and the governor's office can move on," she said. "The issue is relevant and, if anything, is a starting point of dialog with the governor about his policies and how our First Amendment rights can be taken away." She sounds more mature and reasonable then anyone else involved.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 <<<<What she wrote was not true,>> My understanding that even many republicans think the governor sucks.>> That wasn't the untrue part...she said she told the governor (as in face to face) that he sucks, which she did not in fact do.
Originally Posted By andyll <<That wasn't the untrue part...she said she told the governor (as in face to face) that he sucks, which she did not in fact do. >> "The Shawnee Mission East senior said she did not actually talk to Brownback, and the post referenced a joke she had with a student on the trip." Maybe she should come to the WE and teach us not to jump to conclusions and attribute assumptions and motivations to 'out of context' communications between friends.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder >"I hope that the governor realizes the power of the people and how people can make things happen," she said. "I also hope he will spend his time doing more productive things." ... "I hope there won't be any consequences and that my principal and the governor's office can move on," she said. "The issue is relevant and, if anything, is a starting point of dialog with the governor about his policies and how our First Amendment rights can be taken away." She sounds more mature and reasonable then anyone else involved.< If you believe she wrote that without help I imagine you'd be wrong.
Originally Posted By HongKongFoooy ###our school system produces students who lack sufficent written skills to express themselves properly### if i would have written the above, then i would have used the word #writing# instead of #written# and i would have inserted an #i# right after the #c# in the word #sufficent#. but then again if this were some formal forum then i would use capital letters where needed and proper quotation marks instead of pound signs. i'm lowden and this is fun hehehehehehe
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka Somebody's panties sure are in a WE twist. #andyllblows (andyll's idea of mature discourse.)
Originally Posted By andyll Lets see... 1) A governor has staff trolling the internet ready to leap into action to supress any negative comments about the boss. 2) A principal seems willing to run over the rights of a student because a politician is unhappy at the school. 3) Members of a public forum where plenty of threads state that certain politicians are idiots and that their supporters and policies suck somehow feel that their 'adult' level of debate is somehow more mature then an 18 year old tweating to her 65 followers that her governor sucks. Instead of discussing the fact that a governmental worker hunts down the authors of tweets they don't like or talking about the fact that a principal of a high school seems to need to take a few civic classes himself... member here have: Called the tweeter a lier ( although reading the articles make it clear she didn't literally imply she said it to his fact) Implied a cashiers job lies in her future. ( although in her interviews she comes across as intelligent as any 18 year old does) And accused her of using a teleprompter. ( I assume SPP knew those quotes came from a televised interview and not a written statement. ) Call me crazy but somehow I get the feeling I'm the only one here that bothered to find a kansas source to get a more 'in depth' view of the story.
Originally Posted By HongKongFoooy oh foooy on that #28; not a huge foooy but a foooy nonetheless. that teen needs more manners than i need capital letter use. and i lived in the heart kansas for a spell{{no, it wasn't fun but i survived}} and i can tell you that the sunflower state has some good folks too. they tend to be down to earth steak and potato citizens. please don't let the westboro church clan down in wichita speak for kansas because i'm fairly sure that we could find crazies who made a name for themselves in every state.
Originally Posted By HongKongFoooy i'm lowden; sorry i forgot to add that in on my last post. a big happy face to everyone
Originally Posted By dshyates Well Kansas did ban the teaching of evolution in public schools. I guess "good folks" is code for oppressive Christian Extremists.
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>Well Kansas did ban the teaching of evolution in public schools.<<< That is possible in public schools? To a certain degree I can understand that other theories are also taught, but banning evolution from a public school is a little bit too much for me.
Originally Posted By HongKongFoooy more foooy well texas, virginia and florida kill a lot of people california passed prop 8 new york loves trump alaska gave us palins arizona has a problem with martin luther king day idaho is known to have separtists geogia is home to the kkk leadership enough already. no state is perfect and no state is all bad either.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<2) A principal seems willing to run over the rights of a student because a politician is unhappy at the school>> This was a school sponsored field trip. The principal had every right to discipline her.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Actually, no. The student did not put her feelings about Brownback in a student paper, nor made those feelings known in the classroom or at a public event. She sent a tweet to her friends on her personal smartphone. She's 18 years old, not a minor. The principal and governor's office overreacted and overreached their legal authority. She had every right to tweet to her friends whatever she believed about Brownback. Doesn't matter if it was done during a school field trip, event, or even on school property. It's still considered private communication of an adult utilizing personal property. Her civil rights were clearly violated.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I think everyone overreacted. But, I'd be curious to know what their cell phone policy is. If she was not permitted to use the phone during school hours then perhaps she could have got in trouble for that. But, a detention is a far cry from apologizing to the Governor.
Originally Posted By andyll <<This was a school sponsored field trip. The principal had every right to discipline her>> For what? Having a poor view of the educational policies of the Government she just heard speak? I guess people don't like the word 'suck' but quite honesty I'm in my 40s and never swear but I say things suck all the time... especially politicians.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<During a Kansas Youth in Government field trip to the state Capitol on November 21>> Again if the Principal felt that she was not representing the school in a manner that was fit, he had every right to discipline her. Doesn't matter if she's 18 either. If a faculity member did the same thing, the Principal would have the same right.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Bottom line is this, it is her right to question authority. If she was under the governance of the school ,it is the principal's right to critique the behaviour. And it is the governor's right to request an apology. And overall, it is a real waste of everyone's time and money.
