Originally Posted By basil fan And I still love Treasure Planet! And Atlantis! And I like Home on the Range and Brother Bear, too! Heck, I even like Black Cauldron. The Ballad of Gilligan's Trial <a href="http://www.whatsitsgalore.com/etc/gilligan.html" target="_blank">http://www.whatsitsgalore.com/ etc/gilligan.html</a>
Originally Posted By Liberty Belle >>setting might have been some modern ghetto.<< That's the second such analogy and to me, it's just not relevant. Changing the time-period of a story to the 1920s doesn't equate with setting it in a slum and making all the characters drug dealers. Anyway, I know what you guys are saying about judging a movie before it's started, and I agree that we all do it to some extent, but the point is, if you sit there and say "I'm going to hate this movie, it's an abomination, I know it already" based on just the cast breakdown, then no matter how good the movie is, you're never going to change your mind. If you go into something expecting to hate it, you're going to hate it. I've rarely if ever seen someone like something they were dead set about hating from the start. Saying "I don't think I like the sound of this but I'll wait and see" just makes a lot more sense to me. For the same reason, I'm saying I'm cautiously optimistic about this movie rather than jumping up and down and squealing that it's going to be my Most Favouritest Movie Ever.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror >>>Here are some links showing Chicken Licken as a boy<<< That's a boy chicken? ...I can't see any nuggets.
Originally Posted By u k fan I can't get into a lengthy debate now as I'm at work, but I do agree that we all make assumptions on what movies we will and won't like. However, I just don't think that anyone unless they work at WDFA has enough info to go on at this stage. All we have is a cast breakdown (no actual images or voice cast) and the names of some key personnel and a skeleton synopsis. For me it's just too early!!!
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy <but I do agree that we all make assumptions on what movies we will and won't like.> "Narnia" anyone? And boy, when you're assumption is wrong, can it be WRONG!
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Thank you for your comments, actingforanimator, duckling. (Thanks to EVERYONE, actually.) We'll attempt to explain our position again by simply saying, we've always considered ourselves 'guardians' of the more traditional fairy tales--if for no other reason than we happen to COME from a medieval era, ourselvs. ORWEN: One of the things we want to preserve is that phrase 'In a land far, far away'. New Orleans isn't so far away and the minute you choose such a city as your setting for what was once an ancient fairy tale, you immediately lose credibility with your story. I mean, can you imagine Snow White or Sleeping Beauty being set in New Orleans, too--without it ruining the original flavor of the tales? ORDDU: To us it's as bad an idea as trying to change Tom Sawyer Island into Priate Island when it affects the integrity of Frontierland. In the case of this new version of FROG PRINCESS, modernizing the fairy tale so much messes with the integrity of that particular fairy tale. ORWEN: Aside from that, with so much of your world's current entertainment being focused on 'reality shows' and such, we're thirsting badly for more period pieces that help us get away from all that. Disney fairy tales used to do that for us. Lately, they've tried too hard to merge them with the current realities of modern politics or modern sensibilities to the point where there's no longer any magic left in them. ORDDU: And THAT, my dear ducklings, is what bothers us to the point where we're willing to take a public stand when Disney begins messing around with our classic fairy tales. It's a very personal thing, admittedly, but we long for the old fashioned fairy tales that can whisk us away from the daily routines of your world. The last thing we want to be reminded of--when going to enjoy the latest Disney fairytale--is Hurricane Katrina or any other current event. We would much rather be swept away by the magic of a whole new world created by wimsical artists who dare to leave London behind while taking us, instead, to Never Never Land.
Originally Posted By u k fan I'm not sue I hold with the "Land Far Far Away" thing as BatB was set in France, not some mythical FairyLand. The only difference is the time period!!!
Originally Posted By u k fan One last point on the time period thing. Sleeping Beauty was first published in 1697, yet in the movie Philip states that "it's the 14th century" Sometimes the medieval setting is poetic license!!!
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy Well there are different versions of Sleeping Beauty, so there's a loophole!!! ;-P
Originally Posted By KiNOO New Orleans DO seems Far far away for me who lives in Europe... Have a break WItches, Enchanted and Rapunzel will be both enough fairytalish, let the frog be in New Orleand, I can't wait to see the designs and the chracters and to hear the music!
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: The 14th Century is far enough away to keep it safely distant from the modern world. And since that's when Sleeping Beauty's story took place, Prince Phillip was perfectly correct to mention it. Even medieval France is acceptable for a fairytale setting, as far as we're concerned. But a modern city--even set in the 1920's--is too close to reality to make it palatible-- ORGOCH: --speak fer yerself, sister! I take my frogs wherever I finds 'em!! An' I's already lickin' my chops over this big, fat frog princess! If'n things goes the way I got planned, I can have her butchered 'n fried in time ta eat whilst watchin' Rappin' Rapunzel! ORWEN: Eeeewwww!! That's too sick even for YOU, old biddy!!!
Originally Posted By KiNOO and you think you're skilled enough to judge that piece of time or that is acceptable for a Disney movie setting.
Originally Posted By basil fan There is a difference between preferring a certain type of film and hating everything but. I love musicals, but I don't hate every movie that isn't or because it isn't. Just FYI. Basil of Baker Street Comics <a href="http://www.whatsitsgalore.com/basil/gmdcomics.html" target="_blank">http://www.whatsitsgalore.com/ basil/gmdcomics.html</a>
Originally Posted By sapphireprima I'm nervous for this film. I'm all for interacial couples but I don't know how the public gonna like this. Another thing this princess is gonna be the less glamarous of the girls. I'm excited and nervous for this princess.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: All these attempts to inject a hip and edgy aspect into fairytales for the purpose of attracting a hip and edgy audience just seems to show that Disney must believe there's no more audience for the more conservative, traditional fairytale. But if that were true, Lord of the Rings wouldn't have been so popular. We really believe there IS an audience out there, thirsting for a break away from all this 'modern reality' trash that has taken over so much of what you poor ducklings are seeing today. When we go to see a Disney fairytale, the last thing we want to be reminded of is the modern world and all it's ugly, bizzare and distorted values. ORWEN: Hopefully ENCHANTED will be a breath of fresh air for those of us who prefer the classical period pieces. And if they're really in the process of re-doing RAPUNZEL UNBRAIDED so that the 'unbraided' is dropped from the title, maybe there's still hope for that one, too.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror >>>All these attempts to inject a hip and edgy aspect into fairytales for the purpose of attracting a hip and edgy audience just seems to show that Disney must believe there's no more audience for the more conservative, traditional fairytale.<<< Using an African-American in New Orleans in the 1920's is "Hip and Edgy"? Witches, I think you need to take a step back from whatever's smoking in the cauldron.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Think whatever you want, dear. Obviously you don't get the point we were making or don't WANT to get it, so there's nothing more to be said to you. We were just responding to sapphireprima, anyway.
Originally Posted By xrayvision >>I'm all for interacial couples but I don't know how the public gonna like this.<< Interracial couples in American cinema, television and stage is no longer that taboo. Examples of some interracial couples in cinema/stage/tv: 1) I Love Lucy - Popular American TV sitcom about an interracial couple starring Lucille Ball (Caucasian) and Desi Arnez (Latin American). 2)Disney's Cinderella starring Brandy/Whitney Houston, where Black songtress Brandy Nelson(as Cinderella) falls in love with a prince of another race. A multi-racial cast was featured. This show seemed to have done well on video. 3) Disney's Hunchback of Notre Dame which featured a love circle of desire among a Gipsy girl and three white males (one with a phyical disability). 4) Disney's AIDA stage play featuring a interracial love between a Caucasian male a Black nubian female. 5)The Bodyguard - A love story between a diva and her male bodyguard, as played by Kevin Costner (Caucasian) and Whitney Houston (Black). 6) Stone Family Christmas (Forgot the actual movie title) - Starring Sarah J. Parker and featuring a gay interracial couple (a Black male and a caucasian male who was hearing impaired). 7) Sideways - Oscar nominated movie featuring a love interest between a White male and Asian female. 8) My Big Fat Greek Wedding - Romantic comedy between a greek female and an all American guy. 9) Saved by the Bell - Teeny bopper show in America which featured a temporary love story between regular cast members Zach (caucasin teen boy) and a black teen girl (real name was Lark Voohris?). 10) Disney's Beauty and the Beast -two Black females, Toni Braxton and Michelle (from Destiny's Child) have played the role of Belle on Broadway, where their male love interest was played by White males. A recent local versions of Beauty and Beast, in Washington D.C. and Sacramento have featured Black females as "Belle" with White males playing "Beast." 11) Wicked - San Francisco touring production featured a love story between a green witch Elphaba (played by caucasian/latin female) and Fiyero (played by a Black male). These two reprised their roles on Broadway after the San Francisco show closed. 12) Mamma Mia - Current Vegas production as a subplot featuring a love interest between a young asian male and an older white female. 13) Several American soap operas have featured interracial love stories (including Kelly Rippa (White) and her current hispanic husband). 14) Star Trek has featured interracial, as well as inter-species love stories. 16) Other Inter Species Love Plots - Disney's "Little Mermaid" and "Splash", both featuring love interest between a man and a fish); "King Kong" featured love between a woman and an oversized ape; "Mork and Mindy" featured interplanetary love between alien Mork from Ork and Mindy the earthling. Disney's "Lilo and Stich" - Hawaiian girl loves her newfound friend, a puppy sized alien-dog. 15)Disney's Song of the South - a pateral like love/respect between a Black father figure (Uncle Remus) and a young white boy dealing with his parent's separation and other issues. 17) Other shows - West Side Story, The Jeffersons, The King and I (somewhat), the list goes on and on.
Originally Posted By xrayvision By the way, I'm really looking forward to the return of the Disney animated 2-D musical, and to seeing the Frog Princess set in old New Orleans. Regarding New Orleans being used a transcending setting, New Orleans Square in Disneyland in my favorite land as it does the best job of transcending me to another place and time.
