Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer At least they didn't kill it. With Journey into Imagination we had a total killing of a character.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<You would think that R/D Costs would be cut, and this would be perfect for WDW.>> Not if it's the rumored light cycles for the old PM track, which is quite different than TTA in MK.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Maybe this also explains why SM got nothing in the thrill department?>> Space Mountain is a legacy attraction and therefore doesn't need to comply with the mission statement. Space Mountain didn't get anything substantial because there was no desire to spend money on it - none at all. It is popular so why "fix" it was the mantra. <<Not if it's the rumored light cycles for the old PM track, which is quite different than TTA in MK.>> I'm certain that the Tron attraction was be greenlighted soon enough for DL - there is a lot of goodwill in the brand and the company is certain it has a mammoth hit on its hands. A colleague of mine told me that Joseph Kosinski either told a panel audience or a journalist that he was working with WDI on a Disneyland attraction. I haven't bothered to try and find the reference.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Space Mountain is a legacy attraction and therefore doesn't need to comply with the mission statement. << The irony of this statement is breathtaking.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Not if it's the rumored light cycles for the old PM track, which is quite different than TTA in MK.<<<< Now THAT I could see.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>Space Mountain is a legacy attraction and therefore doesn't need to comply with the mission statement. Space Mountain didn't get anything substantial because there was no desire to spend money on it - none at all. It is popular so why "fix" it was the mantra.<<<< I'm sorry, leemac....I don't get that. At all. I don't get this "mission statement" attitude they seem to take, when SM is one that fits perfectly in MK. I don't get why they would leave a stale 1970's coaster in the same condition when the other 4 mountains around the world are in pristine condition and have effects and stories and quality about them at exudes what Disney does best. Of course it's popular....but could you imagine the feed back on a 21st SM in the MK? it elevates the whole park to a higher level of quality.
Originally Posted By dshyates Seriously, if Disney was interested in elevating the MK they would add more than 1 major attraction per generation. My oldest daughter is 14 and they haven't added a major attraction in her lifetime. I am sure you guys have heard of people that are so fat and lazy that they have become bedridden. What I have always wondered is who is it that, after they get in that condition, continues to chuck food at them. I imagine most of them are Disney Parks fans.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer That is a chillingly good analogy, dshy. Glad I helped out the new kid on the block this weekend.
Originally Posted By Hista98 in Disney there is no such thing as a ride being unique to any park. Even if it is meant to be, if popular enough it will come to the others.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer If it's a reasonable fit. Next thing we know, we will have SSE in TL in Shanghai....Oy.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros What about the Matterhorn? It's still one of DL's most popular rides, more than half a century after it opened, yet it's never been repeated. I guess you could argue that WDW's Space Mountain is bascially a copy of the Matterhorn, but the average guest would never equate the two. There's been talk through the years of adding it, along with a Switzerland pavilion, to Epcot, but that's never happened. Everest is kind of similar, but they are clearly very distinct attractions. And there are some others that I'm pretty sure won't be repeated in other parks, whether because of guest perceptions (Mission:Space), maintenence issues (Journey to the Center of the Earth), or just the unique setting within the park (TDS's Electric Railway). Although these days they do tend to copy any attraction that can be qualified as even remotely popular these days (including Tarzan's Treehouse, Aladdin's Flying Carpets, and Innoventions), there's still room for unique attractions in Disney's world.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros "Next thing we know, we will have SSE in TL in Shanghai....Oy." That sounds like the best TL ever! If they take the "tomorrow" theme that seriously, then there's no way that the land won't be a success. No, it won't be like the other TL's, but it also won't be like the rest of the park, which means that it will make for a very diverse day of attractions and experiences. While it would be a big departure from the 'standard', I think it could become a model for how TL's should be.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Good grief - back again? This one really is as dead of the dodo.>> Didn't say it was back, Lee. Just that I wouldn't doubt this may be the concept certain folks are trying to get back in the fanboi consciousness ... because what else could be done in FR-land? They don't need another mind train coaster with animated bears. They aren't stupid enough to replace TSI with an off-the-shelf raft ride ... so what is really left? Oh yeah, the WRE and we all know that isn't ever happening anywhere but coffee table books. So ... yeah, it does make some sense. <<And it didn't use an existing ride system - the caging of the vehicles in the launch shaft was very different to ToT - and one of the main reasons that WDI engineering hated this project - they couldn't get the coaster trains to couple/decouple inside the shafts quick enough.>> I don't know the specifics, so I will defer to you. But I have always heard they were similar in nature. Don't know what that means. <<That said engineering also hated the clunkiness of the ToT coupling process (as do I from a show perspective) and that project still went ahead ("You are about <<clunk>> to discover what lies beyond <<clunk>> the fifth dimension, <<clunk>> beyond the deepest, darkest corner of the imagination <<clunk>> . . .<<please wait a minute!!>> in the Tower of Terror.").>> The clunkiness may not be great ... but the ride itself is amazing ... excepting DAK ... it is easily the high-point of what WDI has added to WDW's existing parks. And I still prefer the clunkiness to DCA/DSP versions in which it is obvious you are entering and departing from the same place. <<The main development work for MK expansion has always focused on two of the three remaining E-pads - namely Tomorrowland (and the truly awful robocoaster nonsense that everyone got their knickers in a twist over) and Adventureland. The latter has always been of more interest from a guest flow perspective.>> That is what I have always heard/believed. I've honestly not heard one credible rumor/story for FR-land for expansion/additions since Splash Mountain opened.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Really? No thrill to come to MK at all? I find that VERY odd, sorry. What of Tron, if it's realized? What of other concepts?>> <<Thrills don't fit the mission statement of the Magic Kingdom. It would have to be an exceptional property to make it pass the gatekeepers. Thrills can exist in the other three parks.>> Whomever came up with that mission statement should be shot. Whoever came up with the idea that some new age business nomenclature like 'mission statement' should be plastered onto Disney parks should be tortured and then shot. Every MK-style park has always had its share of thrills. Do you know how many people won't go on the pathetic Space Mountain due to fear? How many won't go in Mansion due to 'the ghosts' or Splash Mountain due to 'the drop'? How neutered a product do they want MK to be? Snow White is just laughable in that I could put together a better version in my freaking garage as they don't want to scare any impressionable six-year-old. <<Tron is a Disneyland property only - the attraction is being developed solely for that park. There are no plans to bring it to WDW.>> Ah ... so you are admitting on the record that there are plans for DL? Good to know my sources have that straight.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Space Mountain is a legacy attraction and therefore doesn't need to comply with the mission statement. Space Mountain didn't get anything substantial because there was no desire to spend money on it - none at all. It is popular so why "fix" it was the mantra.>> Legacy. As it back when we created attractions that actually earned worthy labels. Funny how they don't build attractions to do so anymore. Unless anyone would be foolhardy enough to suggest things like PhilharMagic, DinoRama, Mission Space and TSMM will ever earn that type of label. <<Not if it's the rumored light cycles for the old PM track, which is quite different than TTA in MK.>> <<I'm certain that the Tron attraction was be greenlighted soon enough for DL - there is a lot of goodwill in the brand and the company is certain it has a mammoth hit on its hands.>> It certainly looks amazing. I do hope it lives up to that. <<A colleague of mine told me that Joseph Kosinski either told a panel audience or a journalist that he was working with WDI on a Disneyland attraction. I haven't bothered to try and find the reference. >> I haven't seen it publically since you mentioned it, but I have heard um ... ah ... 'stories' that concur I really hope they are right. And that we get a real attraction here, not a money pit of crap like Rocket Rods. ~I really had to go!~
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I am sure you guys have heard of people that are so fat and lazy that they have become bedridden. What I have always wondered is who is it that, after they get in that condition, continues to chuck food at them. I imagine most of them are Disney Parks fans.>> Great analogy, Dave. But really ... just look at most WDW fans. ~No, 534 pounds isn't beautiful unless it comes on a baby elephant!~
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>And I still prefer the clunkiness to DCA/DSP versions in which it is obvious you are entering and departing from the same place.<<< Different strokes. Although I like WDW's version, you know when you are going to drop. I love WDSP/DCA's versions because they add more butterflies as you are not quite sure when you are going to go. Add in the view and WDSP gets my vote for best ToT (and there is a lovely garden that is lacking from DCA's version too)
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^The view at DSP is certainly the best of all Towers (except maybe on a few smogless days when you can see mountains from Anaheim). ... And I enjoy all three rides, but I do believe FLA is actually best of the three. But I do wonder if the orginal concept had happened, how great it might have been ... imagine traveling thru a Mansion like experience and THEN culminating in the Tower experience. ~Disney's Best Ideas: In a coffee table book near you!~
Originally Posted By MousDad I too read about that "legacy attraction" garbage and was about to shoot from the hip, but I see it's been done already.
