Originally Posted By mrkthompsn I don't think the state should recognized marriage at all - straight or gay. It generally comes down to issues surrounding income taxes. Support of www.fairtax.org solves that situation very efficiently.
Originally Posted By deadgurl Too bad thre's not a www.fairdeath.org for all those unmarried partners, gay or otherwise, who have no rights to property, personal items or aything else if their significant other ceases to be.
Originally Posted By basas <<I think many people (including him) who oppose gay-marriage are not necessarily well versed in the issues.>> Not really sure what this is supposed to mean...unless for some reason you think those of us 'opposed' are 'un-educated' on the subject and therefore don't share the same opinion as you. (Hence being 'wrong)
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn <<Too bad thre's not a www.fairdeath.org for all those unmarried partners, gay or otherwise, who have no rights to property, personal items or aything else if their significant other ceases to be.>> That's what a will is for. It's the taxes that eat them alive. Kill the tax.
Originally Posted By patrickegan basas- I guess you didn’t get the memo. If you don’t fully embrace the gay lifestyle/movement then you are ignorant and full of hate!
Originally Posted By basas <<basas- I guess you didn’t get the memo. If you don’t fully embrace the gay lifestyle/movement then you are ignorant and full of hate! >> Not really sure if that was sarcastic, or serious (there was no smiley face)...therefore, i'll hope it was sarcastic (and something the left would say) because its abosolutely not true.
Originally Posted By kennect Basa, Patrick is hung up on the idea that the gay public is shoving the acceptance of a gay lifestyle down his and everyone elses throat....I personally being gay couldn't care less if Patrick likes what I do...But the issue of Gaydays at WDW really shows a lot about the overall public before it even gets to the issue of it being an event organized by gay people....I find it so interesting that a private sector of our public can get together as a group such as they do at WDW for this event...Of course, you have to keep in mind that any group could do this if they had the desire...I have no clue if any others are or not....But it does demonstrate the ability that the gay public could be a cause to be reckoned with at some point down the line...I like Patrick and have no clue as to why this issue really bothers him so...Come on, we are taking about one week a year when a group decides to visit a theme park area....I have said too much...I saw Dr. Phil today and the topic was "Being Gay"....What an eye opener as to what some people think about their own children and family....It is very sad that any of this even qualifies for a discussion these days....I am sorry that Patrick hasn't had the experience to know some of the gay folks that I do....Most of my friends are the greatest people that you would ever want to meet...They have no agenda's to push on to anyone else...They just want to live the fullest life they can while they are here...And I forgot to mention this up front...Not all of my friends are gay...
Originally Posted By patrickegan It bothers me because of the hypocrisy in the gay community. When you are at public venue wearing shirts that have trite sayings on them in front of families and small children you are being selfish and showing people you don’t care about their “feelings†Which is why you are there in the first place to gain acceptance so everyone can take your feelings into account. The gay community is a lifestyle based on sexuality and anyone that doesn’t fully embrace the cause is automatically shown some bigotry by being labeled and categorized with blanket statements. Now that Dr Phil did a story on “Being Gay†things will change. I know plenty of homosexuals I won’t go as far as to say that I’m friends with them in the sense that I go over to watch football and make out on the couch. If that’s what your into I’m cool with it (and here’s the big but) but don’t ask from me what you’re not willing to give of yourself! You believe what you like to believe and I like what I believe and why can’t basas or anyone else for that matter! When anyone leaves the goosestep of diversity celebrating the knives come out as witnessed in post #40 “ I think many people (including him) who oppose gay-marriage are not necessarily well versed in the issues. “ Is that not a blanket and or ignorant statement? I guess I missed the post were you asked deadgurl why she would say something so baseless and ignorant.
Originally Posted By MrToadWildRider I agree with the whole thing about if I don't agree with every bit of what the gay community expects me to accept I'm meant to feel ignorant, hateful, a bigot, a Nazi, whatever - and I'm in favor of gay marriage. Rights afforded by the government should be given to all equally, that's what the country is about. However, I do think things like Gay Parades and stuff are a little over the top. There's that argument by Heterosexuals about a "Straight Parade" and to that I think two-wrongs don't make a right, I don't care if it's two dudes, a dude and a chick, or two chicks making out on the front of the float it's still something that shouldn't be done in public. I can see kisses that show affection but things like full on making out and more sexually explicit things (as some of the t-shirts I've seen at GayDays - not that straights always wear appropriate clothing either, I've seen far too many Big Johnson t-shirts or other such things but it seems like members of the gay community take things like GayDays or Gay Pride Day as a free pass on such vulgarity - NOT ALL not even the majority but SOME and that's still wrong). But just by making a post like this I guarantee at least one person out there is going to think "What an ignorant fascist" or something. Even if they don't I've already had that thought drilled into my head so that I still THINK someone will and perception is reality. I've had those disgusted eyes shot at me for saying things like "Well I don't like seeing two guys tonguing each other in public" like I'm supposed to just be like "Oh well they're homosexual it's okay" give me a break. I think that tactic that seems intent on alienating anyone who has anything to say against ANYTHING the gay rights movement says just hurts the cause. I'm a voter, and I think the gay community should have equal rights, but when I'm attacked by that same community either blatantly and openly or more discreetly and subtly for voicing ANY dissent I have a hard time maintaining compassion.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Ok, a few things need to be addressed... "The gay community is a lifestyle based on sexuality" This is absolutely NOT true. This is one of the major stereotypes that people keep harping on. And, it's the single thing most people focus on. Yes, sexuality is part of it, just like straight people. The reason you think it's all about sex, is because that is what the media and those who don't know any gay people automatically focus on. As a gay person, sexuality is so not what I focus on. I also don't know anybody in my circle of friends and relatives that defines themselves by sex. "I know plenty of homosexuals I won’t go as far as to say that I’m friends with them in the sense that I go over to watch football and make out on the couch." That's a really silly statement. Just because somebody is gay, that automatically means in order to be friends with them you have to make out on the couch? Did you ever stop to think that not all gay men want you? What's the matter with having a friend who happens to be gay? There is no need to feel like you've got to have sex with them, and if you do, I guess you've got some issues to work out. By the logic you've got going there, I guess I'd better not have any female friends because I would have to make out with them whenever I went to their house...
Originally Posted By MrToadWildRider >>Did you ever stop to think that not all gay men want you? << Now THAT'S a really silly statement!! (I'm just joking! Don't blast me )
Originally Posted By basas Just to clear things up...I am not personally opposed to "Gay Day's" (as long as it is an independent event)…I’m just opposed to Gay Marriage. They are completely different issues. Saying that however, I don’t really think a Gay Day is necessary (we don’t have “Black weekâ€, etc.) but if they want to independently hold their events- I have no problem with it, and would not cancel my trip because of it.
Originally Posted By basas <<February is African-American History Month though>> The two events are very different from each other.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Yeah, but every group has some kind of organized event (not at WDW mind you, but still). You've got Puerto Rican day, West Indian, St. Patrick's day parades. At WDW, you've got "Night of Joy", "Tom Joyner", and at Disneyland you've got "Bats Day", and when I was a kid "GLASS Night" (that was Greater Los Angeles Sunday School Night, where lots of churches rented the park out for the night, just like the gay days events). So, unless Disney decides to stop all private parties, then gay days will continue on forever.
Originally Posted By scottie <<The two events are very different from each other.>> Yes, but very similar when it comes to reflecting on one's fight for equality, unity, self-pride and acceptance of others. I think there are far more human similarities than differences.
