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Originally Posted By vbdad55 I tried KT --- late Dalmatians again ! I was watching the darn World Series -- c'mon Astro's try and get someone in from third with no outs - geesh !
Originally Posted By kennect I must be missing a post here somewhere...Talk of bath houses in SF? Patrick, it just hit me....I understand your concerns about this subject but it seems that you are a little too heavily involved about the issue to make a true statement regarding this event at WDW...Nambla and bath house activity have nothing to do with this event...Apparently there is something within you that thinks it does....No one is shoving anything down your throat...Get your own group together have them visit the MK on a certain day and have a good time....What is so wrong about a group getting together to have a good time? You make it sound like some sinister plot by the gay community...It is anything but that....
Originally Posted By kennect Vulgar tshirts should not be tolerated at any time....If you witnessed such you should have voiced a complaint immediately...I know I would any day of the year if I saw such....Sorry just had to throw that in....
Originally Posted By patrickegan You’re taking the counter points out of context and yes t-shirts pertaining to ones sexuality are offensive and unnecessary.
Originally Posted By scottie <<You’re taking the counter points out of context and yes t-shirts pertaining to ones sexuality are offensive and unnecessary.>> especially if you're gay, because that makes it even more disgusting....right? I can see into your mind. And since I can see into your mind, I now know why the red t-shirts at Disneyland spark such a stir with you, Patrickegan. You have a very vivid yet twisted imagination. In Patrickegan's World of Horror, It's not what's ON the shirts... but the monsters that lurk beneath them. Whatever you do...do not...lift... the red shirt! AHHHH!
Originally Posted By patrickegan No, I just don't feel it necessary for me to be subjected to “insert "blank" here†or “if it’s good enough for Spears it’s good enough for q**&%$†to understand that you’re of a member of a downtrodden minority just looking for acceptance and love. I would love to link to the pic of the guy demonstrating his family values by the pool. Then to sit there and demonstrate lack of substance by equating that sophomoric buffoonery to the civil rights movement now that’s scary AHHHH!!!
Originally Posted By scottie Patrick. I definitely agree that the t-shirts are in bad taste. Whatever Disney's policy on this should be enforced fairly and consistently. I don't think anyone is arguing with you on that point. The stretches you do make can honestly be scary to me sometimes. I'm not scared so much of you, but the message you are sending to others who may act hurtful towards others based on those views. We all have to be careful of that, no matter what your belief system is.
Originally Posted By patrickegan That’s my point! Don’t push your beliefs on me and I will extend you the same courtesy. In closing I’m not saying homosexuality is evil, certain things just aren’t my bag and I really dislike having to explain the nuances of sexuality to the 8 year old. Let’s give the kids a chance to be kids- P
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL >>>Are you suggesting that’s not what the bathhouses were about? And again why is it necessary to wear the shirts with the trite sayings pertaining to sexuality?<<< Decades ago patrick yes, I'm sure some found acceptance and community but most just wanted a safe place to enjoy the pleasures of the flesh without getting bashed or worse. But you are talking decades though and that just can't be compared to todays topic. And really, the only reason a few wear the lewd slogans on their shirts is to shock. They're not looking for anything but a reaction from the public and to see how far they can go before getting busted. And do link the photo of the guy at the pool. I heard of this type of photo being spread around by one of the churches who were there under false pretense. BUT it was at a gay days event only attended by people who paid for the event. The general public was not 'exposed' to activities like what was supposedly photographed. Plus, those actions are not the norm as to what goes on.
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL Oh, and shame on you patrick,. It would have been nice if you let vbdad55 get his first Dalmations.
Originally Posted By patrickegan Plenty of other “hunks†in the pool in that picture so I doubt it’s the same one anywho I first got the link off this board. And sorry but I don’t get the Dalmations thing but I’m sure it’s coming after Monday night football unless of course vbdad55 is a baseball fan too!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Well he is, but he is a Cubs fan rooting for the Astros....unsuccessfully so far
Originally Posted By RangerPooh When we were on our honeymoon back in 2003 'Gay Days' was bing held, and we could not believe the number of people who were rude about it. Entire families would make rude comments as 'gay' people got on/off the monorail, some families even changed monorail cars so that they weren't with these people. I can't believe that in this day and age there are so many rude people out there. Perhaps it's a geographic thing but being from the Cal. coast people accept this lifestyle not shun it.
Originally Posted By danyoung Well, that was fun, reading all 116 messages in one sitting. This subject comes up every year, and it's always interesting to read the opinions from all sides. I don't know why this has to get heated, or why some people try to shut the discussion off. I used to have some pretty limited viewpoints, and it was only through discussions like this one that I was able to revise my views for the better. >Disney does in fact support the gay lifestyle. In the community, as well as in their own company.< It's important to note that Disney was the last of the major studios to offer benefits to same sex partners. It was either do that or start to lose access to a large portion of the creative population in SoCal. They now acknowledge the situation, but that's a far cry from supporting it. And it's always important to note that Disney in no way sponsors this or any other private event, and has no legal way of blocking it even if they wanted to. >...so be equal, visit the park like everyone else, enjoy yourself, and don't feel you need a special day.< basas, I used to have that same argument. An articulate gay person explained to me in an online discussion years ago that the gay lifestyle most of the time is in no way easy. They are very much ostracized in their daily lives, and have a hard time even walking down the street holding hands with their partner. The big WDW event is simply a chance to get together with like minded people and enjoy the freedom that they wish they had elsewhere, in a place that they all love. There's no agenda, there's no wish to prove to all that they exist in great numbers - they just wanna have a fun day, just like me. >I would like to see this type of discussion end right here. It's unproductive, and probably hurtful to very nice people here.< I mentioned this above, but it bears repeating. If you don't like the discussion, don't participate. It really hacks me off when someone tries to tell me what I can and can't talk about in an online forum (unless your name is Doobie!). Either read and learn, or quit reading. Just don't try to tell me that I have to stop, cuz I find this topic endlessly fascinating. >Don’t push your beliefs on me and I will extend you the same courtesy. In closing I’m not saying homosexuality is evil, certain things just aren’t my bag and I really dislike having to explain the nuances of sexuality to the 8 year old.< Again, 2 guys holding hands doesn't push anything on anybody, any more than my walking around at 255 pounds is pushing people to eat more. We live in a world where the gays exist, everywhere. It's not up to me to try to judge whether they're right or wrong, biologically wired differently or just confused. The fact is that they are here, and we need to start recognizing that and teaching our children about it early on. The best answers come from parents, and this is a subject that screams for more family discussions. What better place than in a Disney park to respond to those questions? Nothing to be embarrassed about, no need to go into graphic detail. Just explain that some people do things differently from us, and let's go ride Space Mountain again, huh?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I am gay and I have often visited WDW with other gay friends. What I don't understand is why members of the gay community insist on these circuit partys in order to have a fun, pleasant time. I don't wear my sexuality on my sleeve and I'm tired of others who do. If you want a circuit party go to Ptown, Miami, Fire Island, San Fran or NYC. Please leave Disney just the way it is! I prefer to enjoy it more that way.
Originally Posted By MrToadWildRider ^^ I agree with the statement above somewhat. I'm not saying that the gay community shouldn't go and have events at WDW or anywhere else but why wear a shirt that says "I'm gay and I'm here!" ? Go around the park with your partner and hold his/her hand (that's his for gay her for lesbian OR a hetero combo) and be free to do what any modest hetero couple would do (no making out on Main Street for anyone...I think closed mouth is still appropriate though) and be seen just as anyone else. I respect and support gay rights as a heterosexual male but I think the movement loses a lot of strength by doing things that are perceived as "In your face" tactics as it seems to put off a lot of heterosexual people. I admit there are times where I think that - such as gay pride days. I realize some institutions haven't allowed gay participants such as some St. Patrick's Day Parades etc. but I think it's important to fight for those rights to participate in mainstream events rather than self-segregating and doing their own thing. I understand the whole "Well if they won't let us join their party we'll throw our own!" mentality but when seeking equality it's just not the right way to go. By going into WDW en masse all wearing red shirts that say "I'm Gay" or whatever it's not offensive to me but it makes me think "Does that make you special?" It's perfectly fine to see two men holding hands, hugging, or giving eachother a little kiss in public but when they're doing it with shirts that basically say "I'm different than you" it makes people, myself included, feel like there's supposed to be a different way to treat them. Have all the parties and events you want but my advice as a sympathetic heterosexual male who understands both sides is to lose the red shirts and just wear something anyone else would wear - it's a movement for EQUALITY not special attention and the shirts are about special attention. Be a regular guest because that's what you are. No better or worse than the rest of us. There's always someone who says "How would you like it if we showed up wearing 'I'm straight and proud t-shirts'?" and the counter-argument "You don't need to wear t-shirts for that it's okay for you to be affectionate with your partner to do that for you" or whatever - I'm saying do what a normal couple would do in the park. A normal couple would hold hands, embrace, give little kisses on the cheek/lips etc. they wouldn't wear t-shirts that express how they're sexually oriented. When I see a guy with a shirt that details how much he loves women (or specific parts of their bodies) I think "What a jerk (or other not-very-nice-things)" or "How trashy" and a lot of other straight folks do too....so how do you think we feel when we see eight thousand of them in a day regardless of sexuality?
