Originally Posted By xrayvision >>The Oakland A's are in Oakland so we don't call them the San Francisco A's just because SF is a more easily recognized city name.<< This is true. And, Bay Area team names and city affiliations will get interesting when the SF 49ers move into their new stadium in Santa Clara and one of the Oakland teams possibly moves to San Francisco (if the proposed stadium gets built). Regarding the term "LaLaLand", I had never heard of that term until I moved to L.A. and the locals used it in casual conversation. The term wasn't used often, but you would hear it from time to time. This thread was the first time that I've seen or heard "LaLaLand" being used since I left L.A. Regarding L.A. vs OC, there's places all over the country where residents like to distinguish or distance themselves from their neighbors. I have friends in the Kansas City area who make a big deal on whether they are from Kansas City Kansas (KCK) or Kansas City Missouri (KCM). They refer to communities by their acronyms, like OPK, where the last letter of the acronym indicates whether you're from Kansas or Missouri. Mainly, it's my friends who live on the Kansas side of Kansas City, who like to distance themselves from Missouri residents, saying that Kansas is wealthier, more conservative, better managed, and has better road systems without all the potholes that Missouri has. My Missouri friends are not as negative when referring to their Kansas neighbors in the Kansas City area. Oregon likes to distance themselves from their Californian neighbors. Some Orlando residents like to argue that their community is better than a neighboring community (Altamonte Springs vs Maitland, Kississimmee vs St. Cloud, ect). And, I sometimes read the Sacramento Bee Newspaper online where more liberal, Sacramento County residents post really negative comments about neighboring Placer County/Gold Country (which is more conservative, prosperous and increasingly more wealthy than Sacramento County). And, Sacramentans post very negative comments about nearby City of Stockton to distance themselves from that city as well (which Stockton is experiencing some civic challenges at this time but doesn't need to be called the worst, most dismal city in America). I don't feel that communities or regions distancing themselves from one another is exclusive to just L.A. and Orange County.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney >>>Up here in Oregon, we like to lump ALL Californians into one category called the "Crazy Drivers" group.<<< I hear ya! I live just outside the bay area and when I drive into the busier areas such as Walnut Creek or Berkeley I get extremely stressed out! You often can't signal to change lanes because the person in the other lane will speed up. My dh commutes into the Bay Area everyday and he says you have to start getting over AND THEN signal. Oh, you won't find me driving in SF anytime soon either!
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>I don't even live in LA and I find the La La land reference insulting.<< How do you fell about "shake and bake". Yes, that's how I heard California referred to when we first move to the Centennial state (Colorado). It is fair to point out that California is far from a homogenous place. But if you live in flyover country and visit SoCal, you definitely know that you aren't in Kansas anymore. It is different, very different.
Originally Posted By fkurucz "And along this same line, it irritates me that the Angels are now called the LA angels, when they are, in fact, located in Orange County." Doesn't that sort of prove the point that it's pretty much one big blob? When I lived in San Diego, I understood that here were differences between LA, LA County, Orange County and Anaheim. But from our perspective, down in San Diego, it was all "LA". "LA" had its own TV stations, different form San Diego. It had grocery store chains not found further south. There were fast food chains (like Tommy's) that were unique to "LA". SO as someone who lived 25 years in San Diego and Orange County, even I can appreciate it all being referred to as "LA"
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Oh dear. MSNBC just PO'ed half the LP'ers with this headline: "Video gamers in La-La Land for E3"
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "...one of the Oakland teams possibly moves to San Francisco (if the proposed stadium gets built)." I think you mean the Golden State Warriors. I don' think there's any to worry about any name changes there. They were originally from SF before moving to Oakland and had the same name.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "How do you fell about "shake and bake"." Doesn't bother me. La La Land sounds like a place full of clueless, self centered narcissistic liberals with questionable morals. Oh, wait...
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Wanting to be recognized as living in the "OC" rather than Los Angeles appears to reflect Southern Californian's obsession with status that leaves us outsiders rolling our eyes and shaking our heads.<< I think it's just nice to be technically-correct where I lived/grew up. Why would I want to miss-inform someone that it was Buena Park where I grew up and lived .. and not Los Angeles? That's hardly an "obsession" .. as you put it, Trippy. About 'SoCal' ... I use that term, frequently. It's more a "general area" to simplify for others, than naming a specific city the person may not even know, or get confused. On the flip side ... I get a few chuckles (to say the least) when people think Australia is some little island .. and don't even know it's in the southern hemisphere. "Oh, I'd like to come to Sydney ... Is it possible to get to Ayers Rock within an hour?" Which is the equivalent of asking ... Can I drive to Oklahoma from L.A. within an hour?
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>SPP: No one is "offended" when people get it wrong, it's when others willfully denigrate it with terms such as "La-la Land" and insist on assuming that a resident of Inglewood is the same as one from Mission Viejo and that their attitudes, mores and lifestyles are all onein the same, especially one it is pointed out rather plainly that isn't so. << Couldn't agree more! If you've lived in a place long enough .. You eventually begin to understand the distinctions from town to town - city to city - county to county. And Trippy, rather than keep painting SoCalers into a nasty little perspective, why don't you take some time to understand some clear distinctions from one Californian county to the next. That might be helpful!!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Yes, I know the difference.. I had an aunt, uncle and cousins who lived in Anaheim, then Buena Park, then Orange (the city). But I also would tell people that "I'm going to visit my cousins in LA"... it was easier than saying "I'm going to Buena Park" when most people outside of Southern California would have absolutely no idea where it was. It certainly was not intended to insult anyone. I think tourists visiting the area tend to consider themselves going to LA because most of them fly into LAX which IS in LA.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Yes, it's easier to say "Los Angeles AREA" .. than the name of a county or town (that is ultimately) unassociated to Los Angeles. But again ... for simplistic purposes .. It makes sense to use that with our friends and family, with no clue to the region. But in this conversation amongst us more educated LP members, who visit Disneyland on a regular basis ... should be easier for us to make a few distinctions with the geography. But as for this - "The 'la,la, land' / Wanting to be recognized as living in the "OC" rather than Los Angeles appears to reflect Southern Californian's obsession with status that leaves us outsiders rolling our eyes and shaking our heads." I can't fathom where you are getting these crazy ideas - You're trying to paint everybody with this negative connotation. If you think every OC or LA county resident represents this perspective .. I got news for you. It's just not true.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Once again... I DID NOT bring up the term "La La Land" in this thread. After it had been used by others I simply mentioned that "La La Land" was probably a more recognized term for LA than "Smell A" (which I believe was mentioned by Autopia Deb). As for obsession with status, I think that does exist with some in the LA area... perhaps especially for some living in the "privileged areas". There is some of that in any large city. Look at those who stress that live in Manhattan rather than NYC.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I'll say for myself though ... STATUS .. never ever came across my mind. Not yesterday, not today .. not ever. I could careless about "Status". That would mean .. I care about what people think of me as an "Orange County" resident vs. "LA county resident." If anything .. if I prefer Orange County over LA County .. it might be because that is where I grew up, It's cleaner, a lot less crime than LA, got two theme parks, etc. Still can't help laughing. I'd have to be pretty superficial to be concerned about "Status"! LOL LOL LOL Trippy, I hope you don't take every SoCal resident for being superficial. I'm sure your own neighborhood-town-city-county .. has it's share too.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>As for obsession with status, I think that does exist with some in the LA area... perhaps especially for some living in the "privileged areas". There is some of that in any large city. Look at those who stress that live in Manhattan rather than NYC. << Alright, good. You recognize it's not just people in the "LA Region" ... it can be anyone .. in any state. That's the point I've been trying to stress with you.
Originally Posted By oc_dean And you may not have started the 'la,la land' line ... but you were off and running from one post of yours to the next ... using it to tag those status-obsessed SoCalers! ;-)
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb I want to stress that the Smell A term applies only to the city and NOT the residents, of which many I have encountered and known are kind and thoughtful, like people you might find any where.
Originally Posted By Scutr >>Regarding the term "LaLaLand", I had never heard of that term until I moved to L.A. and the locals used it in casual conversation.<< Oh no! Well don't let SingleParkHopper hear 'em! He's liable to run up & slap 'em! Or is it that locals are ALLOWED to say that, but not anyone else, Hoppy? >>Oh dear. MSNBC just PO'ed half the LP'ers with this headline: "Video gamers in La-La Land for E3"<< Uh oh! I'll bet Hoppy's making up a picket sign! And he'll be apoplectic to know that Los Angeles-based all girl band, The Go Go's recorded a song entitled "La La Land": <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQFU6w1oNgY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...U6w1oNgY</a>
Originally Posted By Scutr >>you may not have started the 'la,la land' line<, No, in his defense, he didn't. I did.
