Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<it's not uncommon to see public nudity or smell pot while taking a stroll through the park.>> You think that is unique to the Bay area? Heck, that's normal from Florida all the way up to the Maine/ Canada border. As far as public nudity goes, when you have women wearing clothing too, small and too tight for their bodys to the point that ever crevice shows, what's the difference. Camel toe or moose knuckle anyone?
Originally Posted By Scutr >>Born in Inglewood, CA, grew up in Chicago, came back to live in Southern California. I've lived and worked in the San Diego area, Orange County area, and the Los Angeles area. I'm 54 now. How's that?<< You get points for Chicago but you consider Orange County and Inglewood as "elsewhere"? Really? Even San Diego is still Southern California and only a 3 hour drive from LA, if that. >> I abhor it when people main such grand generalizations and denigrate it by calling the place "La-La Land"<< You must get pissed off at one whole heckuva lot of people then because that seems to be the prevailing attitude folks have about that area, at least here on the east coast. I told you, I lived there and I'll call it anything I want. I found the people there overall (with some notable but, sadly, all too few exceptions) to be shallow, vain, often less-than-intelligent and certain that the rest of the country lived and died based on what happens there. >>had it been affordable who wouldn't rather live there the here?<< You couldn't pay me...
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom With all due respect, I think it demonstrats how limited in scope people can be sometimes when they judge all Californians the same. My experience is that Californians can differ immensely when it comes to politics. It may be difficult for California to balance it's budget. But, it sure is pretty darn easy to grant free college tuition to illegal immigrants.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom The problem with Gay Days is that it is another gay community circuit party that make it's promoters very wealthy. The truth is that gay people don't need a special day or event to visit the parks. This whole circuit party thing is getting way out of hand. Why can't you just enjoy Disney theme parks without all the erogenous phoney hoopla? Really?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "My experience is that Californians can differ immensely when it comes to politics." Yep. I visited some friends recently up in the Gold Country and the people there might as well be living in Oklahoma. The only real 100% politically liberal regions of California are the Bay Area, patches of the Northern Coast, and Los Angeles. The rest of it, including (err... especially) Orange County, are pretty conservative.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Why can't you just enjoy Disney theme parks without all the erogenous phoney hoopla? Really?" I've never been, but aren't the circuit parties separate ticketed events held outside the parks?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom For example, typically I spend time with my Californian friends each year at an event in Chicago. Now these friends live mostly in the Bay area and some in the LA area. I usually room with a buddy from the LA area. Well, we were grabbing something to eat at a restaurant in our hotel and started talking with some people who wanted to know where we were from. OK, so comes my buddys turn and he says Los Angles area... so this man tells us that his only experience beign in Los Angles was while transfering flights at LAX. And since LAX was a sea of concrete and people then Los Angles sucks. I sure hope not everyone is judging Georgia based on the Atlanta airport! In my opinion I think it speaks tomes about people who jump to comclusions like that. Maybe someone can explain to me how that works. You pass through a regional airport and based on your experience at that airport you conclude that a geographic area the size of the state of Nebraska has to be like the airport. Simply stunning!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<I've never been, but aren't the circuit parties separate ticketed events held outside the parks?>> I'm talking about the cruising going on. I have never been either, but my understanding is that one scheduled event takes place at one of the Disney waterparks. Gay Days rents it out for an afternoon/evening.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "Maybe someone can explain to me how that works. You pass through a regional airport and based on your experience at that airport you conclude that a geographic area the size of the state of Nebraska has to be like the airport. Simply stunning!" Thats amazing how some people can be so ignorant. "I found the people there overall (with some notable but, sadly, all too few exceptions) to be shallow, vain, often less-than-intelligent and certain that the rest of the country lived and died based on what happens there" Thats really a terrible thing to say. I visit California on average 3 times a year and have never come across the type of people you describe. Most people living in California are every day mid class people like most everybody else and there is no reason to be insulting.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "You get points for Chicago but you consider Orange County and Inglewood as "elsewhere"? Really?" Give me a break. If you're seriously going to equate Inglewood with Orange County then you really don't know what the hell you're talking about. Inglewood was the birthplace of "white flight" in the early 60's for example, with most white residents leaving for places like oh, Orange County. Moreover, to illustrate the differences politically, both Orange and San Diego counties are decidedly GOP, while Los Angeles most definitely is not. "I told you, I lived there and I'll call it anything I want. I found the people there overall (with some notable but, sadly, all too few exceptions) to be shallow, vain, often less-than-intelligent and certain that the rest of the country lived and died based on what happens there." This little passage doesn't deserve a civil response, so we'll let it speak for you more than the ones you try to describe.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I'm talking about the cruising going on." How much cruising can possibly happening in a Disney theme park? You make it sound like Greenwich Village in the 60s.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Kennesaw Tom The problem with Gay Days is that it is another gay community circuit party that make it's promoters very wealthy. The truth is that gay people don't need a special day or event to visit the parks. This whole circuit party thing is getting way out of hand. Why can't you just enjoy Disney theme parks without all the erogenous phoney hoopla? Really? << You make it sound like the organizers make enough money to buy new Rolls Royce for all employees. In reality ... like the National Fantasy Fan Club .. .they most likely make enough money to cover costs, and have just enough left over to organize the next event. If these Gay Disney Theme Park organizers make squillians .... then tell me what happened with Odyssey Adventures, who put on Gay nights at Disneyland in the 80s and 90s? Every year from the late 80s to the mid 90s ... I bought my ticket for these after-hours party. Then it just disappeared. And as for the rest of your paragraph Kennesaw - Maybe some look to those events .... as a means to make new friends? Maybe a guy or a woman might find someone who shares the same interest in Disney theme parks? Not everyone likes the bar scene. So the next time you make a judgement call like that again ... Think just for one moment - "Oh, maybe, it's a socializing opportunity, in a place that's clean and friendly."
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<.they most likely make enough money to cover costs, and have just enough left over to organize the next event.>> Or some just own $2.5 million dollar homes in West Hollywood that they share with their pal who was a former German Police Officer. Oops there I go spilling facts again. oc perhaps you should be more careful when commenting about things you have absolutely no knowledge base. << "Oh, maybe, it's a socializing opportunity, in a place that's clean and friendly.">> I have been bombarded by a hoard of friend's pictures, posts and text messages taken this past weekend at WDW and those pictures, messages and posts were definately all about fraternizing. Socializing, clean and friendly can be such relative terms.
Originally Posted By Scutr >>If you're seriously going to equate Inglewood with Orange County then you really don't know what the hell you're talking about<< That is PRECISELY what I'm talking about. It's all still just L.A.! You think that just because you've lived in more than one spot of the Greater Los Angeles area you think you're entitled to say you've lived "elsewhere" in the United States of America. You're exhibiting exactly the insular attitude I was referring to when I said the people of LA are "certain that the rest of the country lived and died based on what happens there". So thank you for proving my point! Look, you don't have to agree with my opinion of many of the inhabitants of the area in which you call home, but that assessment is based on the people I knew, lived with and dealt with during the 4 years I lived there. It's not the opinion I had of them when I went there, but it is the one I took with me when I left. No, not EVERY single person I encountered was vain and vapid by any means but that is my attitude towards the bulk of SoCal residents and it is the one they EARNED. You're entitled to your opinion and, because I lived there, I AM entitled to mine. I don't give a flying Country Bear fart whether you agree with it or not. You (and Tasha) may find it insulting but your argument has done nothing at all to change it, in fact you've only reinforced it.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Or some just own $2.5 million dollar homes in West Hollywood that they share with their pal who was a former German Police Officer." Yep. I know a few gay party promoters and they're loaded.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "That is PRECISELY what I'm talking about. It's all still just L.A.! You think that just because you've lived in more than one spot of the Greater Los Angeles area you think you're entitled to say you've lived "elsewhere" in the United States of America. You're exhibiting exactly the insular attitude I was referring to when I said the people of LA are "certain that the rest of the country lived and died based on what happens there". So thank you for proving my point"! WTF? There's nothing worse than deliberately choosing to be ignorant, but that's you, apparently. Do you really mean to say your rock solid opinion is based on four whole years of living in L.A.? My goodness, how could we question such authorative experience and knowledge? Yes, Inglewood, 30 miles and 30 light years away from anything in Orange County, is just like Orange County. And hell, Santa Ana might as well be Mexico City as for as Yorba Linda is concerned, then there's Lancaster, which is just like Rancho Santa Fe down in San Diego County. And why is that kids? Because some goofball with four whole years of living here said so! But what the heck do I know? I've only been here in various areas stretching approximately 200 miles from North to South for the last 38 years. Then there's the time I lived elsewhere, you know, like Chicago. For a long time, but screw that. Wait until I tell the gang. It's all just L.A.!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Well, I know a few and the one's I know are loaded. But that's not the issue. The issue is that just because some here don't have the vaguest idea about some of these gay circuit partys or their promoters. They assume no one else does either. Wrong!
