Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>If they're doing that, I'm sure not hearing it.<< That's the Democrats biggest problem right now. The GOP is very good at spinning the message in their direction and shouting down anyone who might disagree.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>That's the Democrats biggest problem right now. The GOP is very good at spinning the message in their direction and shouting down anyone who might disagree.<< I agree... to a point. But I don't listen to the talk radio screechers, and I AM listening for some bold new Democrat initiatives and/or proposals. So I'm sort of back to the same complaint I had going into the last presidential election: The Democrats are filled with anger and disgust, which is all well and good, but they aren't offering up substance. President Bush was beatable in 2004, and the GOP is beatable in 2006, and maybe even in 2008. But if the Democrats are wanting to win simply by virtue of being the lesser of two evils, that's a really weak approach and really leaves their hopes to chance. I think people WANT to hear someone truly compassionate, articulate, approachable that isn't a walking bag of contradictions. And sorry to say, there aren't many well-known folks in the Democratic party right now that spark interest. Maybe Barrack Obama? We'll see.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer I think the identity of the Democratic Party itself is a walking bag of contradictions because of their big tent nature. It's more like a loose confederation of disparate interests than it is a federation of common interests. The GOP has the advantage of having less disparity in their points of view than the Democrats have, so it's easier to look unified and consistent. I think it's a common mistake to think that someone like Jesse Jackson has the same political ideals as someone like Bill Clinton, or that Sen. Dianne Feinstein is the same kind of Democrat as Gov. Schweitzer of Montana. The GOP has had a pretty consistent base since they were founded, but there are two very distinct and even oppositional core groups in the Democratic party - the conservative states-rights Dixiecrats and the liberal Democrats that arose out of immigrants who ran the political machines and unions of the cities. The GOP has never had that split, but I think it's developing as their base expands. I think Dean's strategy of focusing on local level politics is where the Democratic party is going to find it's voice again. I think we'll see more figures like the very popular governor of Montana who show that not all Democrats hold the same views on all subjects.
Originally Posted By bboisvert RE 43, That sounds like one of those great ideas that progressives are accused of never having. Democracy for the people, by the people. It's so "moonbat"-ish, it just might work.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<The terrorists are on the fast track to success. Lebanon has freely elected a terrorist government with Hesbollah (sic). Palistine has freely elected a terrorist government with Hamas. Iraq has freely elected a secular, fundementalist Islamic government that is more inline with Iran than with any other Iraqi faction.>> OK, this post is EXACTLY why CNN and the rst of the liberal media are losing viewers. This is how THEY see the world, while Bush and the conserevatives ( Fox news perhaps ) sees GOOOD things happening. No wonder the left is so depressed and unemployed. Who wants to hire anyone with such a negative viewpoint? I know I am a pimp for Rush, but he is all about optimism and American pride. Throw in the fact that what he says comes true most of the time, you can see why he does so well.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I know I am a pimp for Rush<< Well, if you're the pimp, at least you recognize Rush for what HE truly is! ; )
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>This is how THEY see the world, while Bush and the conserevatives ( Fox news perhaps ) sees GOOOD things happening.<< So you're saying that George Bush is pleased that Hamas was elected? I doubt that very much.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy K2man, I know my " libs suck " routine is old.. beyond old.. But I say this because the democrats USED to have some counter ideas to the GOP. They used to respect the country during war time, they used to be great Americans. But this was what, 40 years ago?? JFK would be a Republican today... that's all you need to know to see how far the left has slid. If I had to pick a leader for the dems to lead them out of their Cindy Sheehan world of moonbatiness I would go with... I got nothing.. Anyone on the left who isn't full blown off the chart left get's attacked by the Moveon.org crowd. Just look at Joe Lieberman, a man I would vote for. I think the libs are going to have a total meltdown by the left and a " moderate " is going to have to swing in and get them back into reality. It will be fun to watch.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<So you're saying that George Bush is pleased that Hamas was elected? I doubt that very much.>> Hamas is not democracy in action. Hamas is radical Islam in action. In a way it's good Hamas is the official government. One bad move and Israel will destroy them, plus other Arab nations are telling them to stop with the whole militant garbage against Israel.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>They used to respect the country during war time<< And this is where you go too far. They DO respect the country, by and large (yes, there are some who are WAY out there, but do you think it's fair that the entire GOP is judged by some of their looniest memebers?). But we don't live in a country where there is only ONE way to be patriotic, or a "good American." Being a "good American" doesn't mean sitting there waving a little flag no matter what. It's VERY American to question things, question our own actions. That makes us stronger, being able to hold a mirror up to ourselves and change what isn't fair or right.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Unfortunately, too many leaders of the Democrats are doing more than just questioning our actions. In fact, almost all of the leaders of the Democrats are doing more than just questioning our actions.
Originally Posted By gadzuux They are actively opposing our actions. So am I. Nice to know that someone is representing my views within the halls of our government.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy The left has gone beyond simple debate, they are border line treasonous and dangerous at this point. Having terrorist rights as your rally cry as the libs do is never going to help them get any power. Of course these people prove on a daily basis that they can't be trusted to protect the country, so they are relegated to banging pots and pans and worshiping Cindy Sheehan.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Having terrorist rights as your rally cry as the libs do<< If one day went by where you didn't make stuff like this up, it would be astounding.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Beau----- I changed my Independent status in 2002 temporarily specifically to vote in the Mass. primary for Joe Lieberman. I thought he was the best man or woman out there. Of course he lost, as all or most of my picks do, and I knew he would, but I voted my conscience.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Gad--52 is right imho as is Beau as people like Ted have gone over the line and I feel it is reasonable that he be charged with treason, not borderline. Protest is one thing (good) but undermining the government at time of war is treasonous.
Originally Posted By JeffG That is a pretty astounding accusation. Please state specifically what you think Kennedy has one that would justify a charge of treason. -Jeff
Originally Posted By cape cod joe My wife came up with it about 4 or 5 months ago Jeff and I don't recall exactly what it was but it is less astounding than the radicals who have a "Impeach Bush" website established. Neither accusation would fly legally (obviously) but like the banal "Nuke em and let God sort them out" it is just hyperbole thrown out to make a point.
