Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I'll Beck an unintentional comedian. The rest is simply mean spirited partisan hash. Beck: Auggh!!! Aughh!! We're all going to be put in camps! Obama the socialistis coming for us! Aughhh! Moderate voice: Glenn, there's no evidence at all of camps, none whatsoever. You're hallucinating again. Beck (in best Pee Wee Herman voice): I meant to do that. Hah!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I can't prove anything of the sort. It's my "gut feeling."> Yes, i.e. your own bias. Nor is it necessarily common sense that people become like-minded with those they spend time with. The job prior to my current one was a VERY conservative office; did I become a conservative? No, I did not. Do many people watch the shows that agree with their political views? Sure, but not always. I watch Fox sometimes to see what they're up to. I have conservative friends who like the Daily Show. Anyway, there's no way to say that Beck's influence is "equal" to Becks, but if anything, common sense says that as different types of personages, their influences, if any, would not be equal.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Anyway, there's no way to say that Beck's influence is "equal" to Becks> I'd say that is exactly equal.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo And perhaps you should embrace the fact that you’re a Glenn Beck fan, but that does not make his tearing up a candid representation of his patriotism. No, don’t like Beck because he rubs me as a used car salesman. I’ve seen the patriotic gimmick paraded around on camera far too many times in my 35 years to give it much credibility. Maybe some fall for it, but I’m very suspicious of individuals who play the patriot card too often and hang it on their sleeve like a badge of honor. Apparently others are wary of it too. Sorry if that offends you. But note, I’m not saying that he doesn’t love his country; in fact, I’m confident he does. But the tears were pure showmanship to me. As an entertainer (as utahjosh purports), he is trying to tug at his audience’s heartstrings, most of whom consider themselves vehemently patriotic. That is what entertainers do, they play to the crowd. However, the problem is that these entertainers/pundits often use patriotism as a cover for their crazy ideals and compel their listeners into believing them as “the patriotic thing to do.” Ex: Hannity among others used it to brand anyone against the war as unAmerican which caught on in conservative circles demonizing anyone who questioned the war. Now, my wife and I and about half the members of the squadron were increasingly against the war, but God forbid any of us were unAmerican. This is what I fear from Beck; and if ecdc is correct, it’s already beginning.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I'd say that is exactly equal. > Good one! Dang. There's no way Beck's influence is "equal" to Stewart's...
Originally Posted By DAR <Anyway, there's no way to say that Beck's influence is "equal" to Becks> I'd say that is exactly equal. >> That last Becks, as in the beer.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin <tiggertoo you dont know if Becks tearing up is fake.Thats just a fact that you dont have> I used to have crying jags too. I talked to my Dr and got a prescription and I'm all better now.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***This is what we have to thank people like Michael Moore, John Stewart, David Letterman, Cobert, and the major networks for*** Moore aside (I'll give you him), you have just pointed to three COMEDIANS and "news" in general as though to say "ah ha!". Rather.."ha ha". As in, what a joke.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh I think it's funny that, here on a Disney site, some posters are trying to draw a line between education and entertainment, as if someone can't do both. Sure, Glenn Beck may lean a little more to education and John Stewart a little more to entertainment, but they both perform a lot of the same functions, while generally on different sides of the aisle. There was plenty of hyperbole coming from left wing "edutainers" during the last eight years that was just as bad as what Glen Beck said. And for the record, I listened to the clip referenced, and it wasn't as crazy as some of our more excitable posters have made it sound.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Education? I think this is the first time the notion has come up that Beck (or any of the rest) are "educators." LOL! Beck posits himself as a serious newsman. And when Stewart or Colbert offer hyperbole, it's clearly hyperbole. Beck purports to be giving us the straight dope, at least most of the time. That's the difference. And what Beck said in the piece, though he wasn't crazy-ranting, was basically "Have you heard about these FEMA camps? Boy, they're scary. Now, I can't confirm them, but I can't debunk them either, much as I'd like to. It ain't good, folks." Now, what is that? Is that a comedy piece? Of course not. It's Beck saying as a "serious newsman" that there are ominous FEMA camps being set up, but not really saying what they're for, or even if he has any hard evidence of them. Yet they're ominous. It's a whole lot of "be very afraid" wrapped in a total absence of evidence. And presented as a serious story.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Glenn Beck may lean a little more to education<< He leans a little more to re-education. LOL
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Beck posits himself as a serious newsman. > I dIsagree He'll discuss serious issues a lot of the time, too. Along side comedy. "Entertainment and Enlightenment."
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "<<I'll Beck an unintentional comedian.>> HUH?????" Should have read "I'll say Beck is an unintentional comedian."
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Beck posits himself as a serious newsman. > <I dIsagree He'll discuss serious issues a lot of the time, too. Along side comedy. "Entertainment and Enlightenment."> He tries to be both, but he DOES posit himself as a serious newsman.
Originally Posted By jasmine7 <<He tries to be both, but he DOES posit himself as a serious newsman.<< And, possibly more importantly, his many of his listeners take him as a serious newsman. Our local conservative talk show host, Vincent David Jericho, sees Beck as the new face of the conservative movement and tries to emulate him in many ways. While this might just be one little case in one part of the country, Jericho's influence is pretty darn strong in this area (they have a group called the Young Conservatives who are drafting a new "doctrine" for the Conservative movement, and Jericho says they're about to take it nationwide). Now spread that out among the country, as I'm sure Jericho isn't the only regional host moved by Beck, and his influence spreads even further.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***So does Keith Obermann, and Beck isn't any more extreme as that.*** Kindly offer an example (or two, or three) of the kind of "concentration camp" extremism that we are talking about here. Just one would be fine.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <So does Keith Obermann, and Beck isn't any more extreme as that.> Stop with the goalpost moving, please. We were comparing Beck to Stewart and Colbert, which I was pointing out was an apple to an orange, not Beck to Olbermann, which would be more of an apple to apple.
Originally Posted By Mr X I don't think that's fair. I understand that some consider Olbermann to be a jerk, abrasive and all of that... BUT, I'm really interested to hear about what lies he has supposedly told. What conspiracy theories he has advanced. And anything else that would situate him in the same disreputable place as the noise machine pawns. If anyone can give me a genuine example, I will make it my task to have it aired on MSNBC. I have the connections to do so, too. Gauntlet thrown.
