Originally Posted By vbdad55 that's basically me -- to me once you get a roll rhytym going, it helps me keep the ball on line much better than any other grip-- have been using it since high school 33 years ago...
Originally Posted By berol The Q-ray bracelet is quackery, but it does look kinda nice. They've been sued/charged multiple times for false advertising.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad ^ ^ ^ Even so, sometimes the power of plecebo is greatly underestimated. I carry my dad's old glove and ball mark repair tool in my bag for luck. That is most certainly NOT a real advantage to me, but I SWEAR I play better when I have it in my bag!!! And you know what, if I THINK I am playing better, then I AM playing better.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<the "claw" hold>>> Is that what Sam Snead used to use? <a href="http://tinyurl.com/s686d" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/s686d</a>
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Wait this is a much better pic of what I am talking about: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/p7mzl" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/p7mzl</a>
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Besides I don't see how Q-Ray could be sued successfully as the ad makes no REAL claims. AND I found several copy cat bracelets here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/p27xr" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/p27xr</a>
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <The Q-ray bracelet is quackery, but it does look kinda nice. They've been sued/charged multiple times for false advertising.< Like I said I was as big a skeptic as anyone, but neither my G.P. nor my sports ortho can explain why my right elbow doesn't swell anymore -- it had been a problem for almost 5 years so I can't explan it either, but since the result is what I wanted, I don't care...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 how many baseball players today are wearing the titanium bracelets -- whether lucky charms or something that somehow really does increase blood flow and performance - for the cheap price all that matters is end result..
Originally Posted By berol They have toned their claims waaaaay down in recent years to get legal which is why you don't see the old tv ads anymore. It used to claim to help this and that malady, but now it's just energy & Chi since best evidence for its medical aid points to placebo. (If I haven't killed the placebo effect, eep!, keep wearing the thing.)
Originally Posted By DVC_dad My dad used to take Salt Tablets after working out in the yard. Little did they know way back then that the LAST thing my dad needed (Very High Blood Pressure) was to increase the amount of SALT in his blood stream. The ancient Chinese used to take Ginger to prevent sea sickness. They didn't know WHY it worked but that it worked. Recently a reputable study was made that showed ginger pills are AS GOOD as anything we have on the market today for motion sickness / sea sickness, they work. Also, There is a world of difference between scientific study and clinical study. Clinical studies will basically prove or disprove whatever you want them to. A study using true scientific method is done with no goal in mind, only to observe objectively. I'll give you another example. I personally believe (as does the American Medical Association and the New England Journal of Medicine) that chiropractic is quackery. I don't go to them. HOWEVER, there are people who swear by them and I would never say to that person, "Don't go, it's a rip off," if it is helping that person. More importantly I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from doing anything that they simply THINK may be helping them. I am a big, "don't knock it 'till you try it kind of person," but I am still very much a skeptic...for my own private opinions of things. Still having said that, I try not to step on other peoples' toes so that I don't have to pull my own foot out of my mouth later. Anyhoo...
Originally Posted By DVC_dad I just played 6, my son had to use the bathroom really bad ( #2 ) so we headed into the club house not finishing. He got a little over heated I think but we are going back out today at 2:30 PM eastern to finish at least that 9. After 6 holes I was 3 over par...which means I WAS SMOKIN' !!! I lost my sand wedge somewhere and so I have to go look for that too unless someone brought it in, which I doubt. I am sure it's still laying. My wrist is almost completely well and VBDAD if you read this, THANK YOU for the TIP ABOUT GRIP, it did the trick! No more pain whatsoever!
Originally Posted By DVC_dad My wrist is almost completely well and VBDAD if you read this, THANK YOU for the TIP ABOUT GRIP, it did the trick! No more pain whatsoever! But I still can't help but feel that I am losing some power. I am going to get my CP to check this out with me. I think I can't get my mind around having two different muscle groups, work at two differnt strengths...if that makes any sense...you know, grip hard while swinging hard. By the way my oldest son (11) and I went out this AM and played 6 holes before he got too hot and too tired to finish. After 6 I was only 5 over!!! That is better than my GOAL !!! I was SMOKIN'!!! Oh and by the way...that was a totally HONEST 5 over Par too. Strict Rules! One more thing as I am soooo long winded on this thread...sorry... After reading Chicken Soup for the Golfer's Soul (a great book) I now completely understand why you are the way you are about the RULES. I will let that suffice to say what it does. Well that and this: Golf is about so much MORE than just the act to playing golf. I think you "get that."
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<<After 6 holes I was 3 over par>>> Yeah that didn't sound right so I checked my score card....5 over but still amd very happy with that! <<<he got too hot and too tired to finish>>> Actually there were other reasons too but it seems I already stated those.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<<<After 6 holes I was 3 over par>>> Yeah that didn't sound right so I checked my score card....5 over but still amd very happy with that! < basically bogey type golf - surely nothing wrong with that
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <My wrist is almost completely well and VBDAD if you read this, THANK YOU for the TIP ABOUT GRIP, it did the trick! No more pain whatsoever! But I still can't help but feel that I am losing some power. I< glad it helped ...my guess on the power is now that you are gripping looser ( softer) you have likey slowed up your swing too -- that grip hard - swing hard syndrome. it should correct itself
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < Golf is about so much MORE than just the act to playing golf. < in the world today we work so hard to teach kids how to WIN at all costs, I think we forget to explain the games as a whole...I learned the traditions and respect for golf early - or else my uncle would neverhave taken me again - I also caddied for a year....I have never lost those values or respect for the game....it is so much more than playing...you are correct.
Originally Posted By berol All the study tested was if they worked better than placebo bracelets. They didn't. The company can't even get a study together that suggests it helps any health issues. To go back a bit, I remembered last night that there is a Little Red Video of Penick's that's pretty good. Crenshaw and Kite are in it. Amazon has used videotape copies. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/630310357X" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi dos/tg/detail/-/630310357X</a> I don't think it ever came out on DVD.
Originally Posted By berol Get a cheapo vcr! heh There are 4 books in the series. The blue book is for women. "The Wisdom of Harvey Penick" book is like a greatest hits, culled from the 4 books. There is a Little Green Video, but also just VHS.
