Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> Well, outside of the little hanger, the rest of the ride will still be the very visible tacky panels that the current “map†is on, just rethemed, and the tracks. << I noticed that in the artist's rendering of the remodeled ride. Moreover, if nothing is done about the back side of Madness, with its ugly sound wall, and it continues to be visible from outside the park -- particularly to guests in Disney's deluxe Grand California Hotel -- that is another reason the ride deserves to be torn down.
Originally Posted By bean I think some of you are not seeing the whole picture. Its not that people thinkt he attraction is pretty and should stay or that just because there are pretty trees around it that it makes it all better it has to do with operational problems. Only so much can be done at one time without interfering to much with the parks capacity. Is dressing Myllholland Madnes with goofy the best choice? No, of course it is not. There are other attractions that have been considered to replace it. Is dressing the attraction for now with goofy the best chocie? Yes it is. The change could be done to add some visual pleasure to the ugly structure and still have an operating attraction soon after. "Well, outside of the little hanger, the rest of the ride will still be the very visible tacky panels that the current “map†is on, just rethemed, and the tracks. Outside of different graphics and colors, the ride will still be essentially the same. So, if Mulholland Madness is unpleasant to look at now, the Goofy overlay probably won’t do much to change that." You are judging this by one simple photogragh that was shown to cast members. Mullholland madness right nwo has a few pieces of walls sporadically placed in areas of the attraction. The enw theming completely blocks out the attraction from top to bottom with only the highest areas visible. Also the queue in itself is completely diferent. Instead of the open generic structure a more nicely themed hangar with props and other visuals will now block the waiting area and basically make it more appealing. Is this a permanent retheming? No its not thinsg change and once the park has added several new additions and other phases of expansions are on the way this theme and attraction could basically be removed and replaced with a more permanent darkride. Like you all had heard, one idea was the rataouille darkride coaster. That was one strong idea that almost happened. The attraction would had received a showbuilding that would had fit the theming of the eating facility and garden next to it. Obviously some people felt it was not the right choice (If you ask me an attraction based on a chef whether it be a rat or not would had been much more fun than a redressed Mullholland) but there are other options being discussed. The one thing to also consider is that construction has not started so this Goofy overlay might just end up being thrown out the door and something else brought to life.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<The one thing to also consider is that construction has not started so this Goofy overlay might just end up being thrown out the door and something else brought to life.>> One can only PRAY this happens Bean. I'm praying for it tonight...and I'm an atheist ;D.
Originally Posted By jonvn Honestly, they should just save the money and put it elsewhere. Why dress up somethign you're going to get rid of?
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf "I don't personally hate it. I just would never ride it. It looks unpleasant." Question John, are there any thrill rides you like to go on? I have heard you state the same thing about ToT, Sun Wheel [of death] and Screamin'. Anyway, just curious.... And I don't think the MM overlay should cost that much and I think it's worth it (even if only temporary). It really is an eye sore right now. If it has to be kept, which it sounds like it does, why not dress it up a little?
Originally Posted By jonvn "Question John, are there any thrill rides you like to go on?" Not really, I don't like them. I mentioned I got motion sick on the Golden Zephyr.
Originally Posted By Brown Monkey You know all this talk still doesn't really address how the Goofy overlay is logical to its location, except that it is a cheap fix that will easily hide the ride. Out of all the other inexpensive overlay themes, why this one??? I mean, go ahead and theme it to Goofy. Go ahead and even theme it to flying. But why a HANGAR? Especially when there are ALREADY hangars in another location of the park? That's like overlaying the Maliboomer into a giant redwood. Of course that would make it look more appealing, but why?!? Couldn't MM be set to fly in a Victorian theme? At least Little Mermaid's exterior will make sense! I just really don't get it lol.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf I'm sure if they come up with something better that will attract families (as well as hide the ugliness) they will use it instead. Coming up with something cheap, temproary, Disney-esque, and effective at masking a carnival ride probably isn't as easy it may seem. Is Goofy Sky Skool the perfect theme? Nope. But is it an improvement? I think so.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf Sorry Jon, I forgot about the Golden Zephyr. (and sorry about the misspelling of your name!) I know you didn't say anything but I'm particulary sensitive to that as my name is also Jon without an "h". Anyway, since you're not a thrill ride fan, I am a little amazed at your even-keeled approach to DCA. While I also currently like DCA, I'm not sure I would be so quick to run to its defense if I didn't like Screamin, ToT and the Sun Wheel. So kudos to you.
Originally Posted By jonvn Sun Wheel...god that was horrible. But I went on it. I went on TOT, too. I'd have gone on the roller coaster but it's been either closed every time I went, or I was with people and it was not going to happen. But the thing is that OTHER people love these sorts of things, and Disney does not offer a lot of them, so it's actually perfectly reasonable that they should offer this sort of thing to broaden their customer base. I am not of the opinion that they should build things strictly to my tastes, although that'd be great for me. I actually appreciate the stuff on the pier because it's cool to look at if not ride, and it's actually a good idea to have done something of this type. It's variety. And variety is what Disney parks are all about. Or have been all about.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf "Or have been all about." LOL Yeah, I know EXACTLY what you mean but that.
Originally Posted By 2001DLFan <<bean: Its not that people thinkt he attraction is pretty and should stay or that just because there are pretty trees around it that it makes it all better it has to do with operational problems. Only so much can be done at one time without interfering to much with the parks capacity. Is dressing Myllholland Madnes with goofy the best choice? No, of course it is not. There are other attractions that have been considered to replace it. Is dressing the attraction for now with goofy the best chocie? Yes it is. The change could be done to add some visual pleasure to the ugly structure and still have an operating attraction soon after.>> No, redressing MM with Goofy is not the best choice. That attraction is a current non-issue as far as themeing goes, and the current themeing relates more to it’s current location and the theme of the park than the Goofy one will. Most people that ride it probably don’t care about the themeing, so dressing up the ride is just a waste of money that can be better allocated at this time. <<"Well, outside of the little hanger, the rest of the ride will still be the very visible tacky panels that the current “map†is on, just rethemed, and the tracks. Outside of different graphics and colors, the ride will still be essentially the same. So, if Mulholland Madness is unpleasant to look at now, the Goofy overlay probably won’t do much to change that." You are judging this by one simple photogragh that was shown to cast members. Mullholland madness right nwo has a few pieces of walls sporadically placed in areas of the attraction. The enw theming completely blocks out the attraction from top to bottom with only the highest areas visible. Also the queue in itself is completely diferent. Instead of the open generic structure a more nicely themed hangar with props and other visuals will now block the waiting area and basically make it more appealing.>> The walls that are on the ride now will be the same walls that will be on the ride after they add Goofy. The little hanger entrance will be added for additional themeing. Outside of that, they will probably just be replacing the street signs and graphics throughout the ride with flying referenced props and graphics. Other than that, it’s still the same ugly ride. <<Is this a permanent retheming? No its not thinsg change and once the park has added several new additions and other phases of expansions are on the way this theme and attraction could basically be removed and replaced with a more permanent darkride.>> So, just as they normally do with attractions they are planning to remove down the line, they should just continue to run it as is until they are ready to replace it. In fact, Disney has actually just shut down attractions that they didn’t want to deal with and left them rotting for up to a decade while waiting for a replacement (Carrousel of Progress, Subs). It’s just a waste of money to dress up a ride that is doing well enough if it’s just going to be torn down in a few years.
Originally Posted By jmuboy Yeah, I have to agree. Leave DULLholland Madness alone if you are just gonan tear it down a few years after re-themeing it. Save the money to build a lobby for the Hyperion instead!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It looks to me like the retheming of MM will be relatively inexpensive - certainly a lot less expensive than building a lobby for the Hyperion or any large-scale job. The landscaping bean is talking about would be the most expensive part of it I'd guess, but that will then beautify the area in general no matter what eventually takes MM's place. I would think the re-theming to the ride itself, if bean's description is accurate, will take only relative chump change, so all this "save the money for something else" talk doesn't make a lot of sense.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros For what it's worth, I just talked to a friend who worked at Mullholland Madness over the summer (I don't think he's been over there in a couple months, so take that into consideration). I asked him if they were going to keep it, and he quickly responded "No. They're changing that whole area." After talking a little more, he said that he didn't know why they would keep it, since "it's a pretty crappy ride." From the mouth of someone who loves Disney and worked on the ride. Hopefully he's right and it's just torn down soon.
Originally Posted By k_peek_2000 I would rather have crappy ride that fits to its theme (MM), than a ride with a decent theme that belongs somewhere else in the park, and has nothing to do with the theme it's in. Or better yet. Tear MM down and have a large grass field with a Victorian gazebo in it.
Originally Posted By jonvn What we hear more and more is that theming really just is unimportant, completely and totally. It's just a passe idea. They don't build their parks with theming in mind anymore. It's decor, and that's it. Whether anything fits within that decor is of no consequence.
Originally Posted By bean Obviously some people will not understand no matter how much is said so i will not continue to try to explain. I will just say one thing, Consider this, the temporary entrance that will be built while the entrance is being worked on will have a budget close to what the retheming of this attraction will cost. With that said this constant they should just save the money for something else is really not logical since the attraction could be better themed for a small amount of money and make it look better with its new surroundings. Even the YOMD campaigns budget is much much much bigger than this project. Besides the attraction is in what will be a land themed after a pier. Piers had an eclectic amount of architectures that blended within eachother to create a whimsical fun atmosphere.
Originally Posted By jonvn Well, if it is like almost out of petty cash, why not, then. It sounded like a large scale changeover at first. But if it's that minor....
Originally Posted By dshyates My guess is the Goofy overlay would be a thousand times less expensive than the seasonal HMH overlay. ANd certainly more charming than MM. So I say until the attraction count can come up and they have a plan for something better, go for it. But it does leave me scratching my head as to why they aren't trying to make it fit the surroundings better.
