Originally Posted By DlandJB Religious belief makes me squirm. I could go into harsh detail, but I don't think it's worth going into, and probably would just offend or upset people.>>>> OK.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<Well, the GOP HAS made many people invoked the Lord's name.>>> Hee hee, that's for sure.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<Hellooooo! I'm a CATHOLIC.>>> Sounds like a valley girl catholic to me. Well, Whatever.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<As a protestant, I'm certain you would take great umbrage at a Catholic using the power of the state to insist that you pray the Rosary daily or attend Mass on a frequent basis?>>> Why that is exactly what the catholics did to my presbyterian protestant kin in germany. They burned the protestants bibles, and were forced to spend at least two days a week praying in a catholic church, to prove they were catholic.
Originally Posted By cmpaley We're not talking abount ancient history in another country, we're talking about now in the United States. But I would be interested in your backing up this claim. As an aside, Luther's translation of the Bible ADDS WORDS that aren't there in the original Green and don't exist in any other translation. Otherwise, the difference between a Protestant and Catholic bible is that seven books (Tobit, Sirach, Wisdom, Judith, Baruch, and 1 and 2 Maccabees) and a few chapters in Daniel and Esther were removed to make the Protestant Bible.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Oh i forgot to add, that is why my kin got the gumption to come to america in wooden ships. American indians found them curious. We should have warned them about the catholics in europe and not to allow them to come to our shores, unless they pray in a protestant church twice a week. But that is only after all of us dance the month long indian religious ceremony which involves peyote cookies, and unfortunately, that new blend of indian raindance and hiphop music.
Originally Posted By woody >>Or a way of interpreting your OWN words. The Republican party is a secular political party. The government has no business dictating religious belief or practice.<< Again, you choose to take my position a bit too far. I don't expect the Republican Party to dictate religious belief or practice. My position is the government should be neutral on religious practice. With this, the Republican position is closer to it. >>As a Catholic, I would take GREAT umbrage of some protestant using the powers of the State to demand that we eliminate our Marian devotions or the Mass itself. As a protestant, I'm certain you would take great umbrage at a Catholic using the power of the state to insist that you pray the Rosary daily or attend Mass on a frequent basis?<< I'm glad you taken umbrage. If it is true, I would take umbrage. Have I taken umbrage? Not really.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<As an aside, Luther's translation of the Bible ADDS WORDS that aren't there in the original Green and don't exist in any other translation. Otherwise, the difference between a Protestant and Catholic bible is that seven books (Tobit, Sirach, Wisdom, Judith, Baruch, and 1 and 2 Maccabees) and a few chapters in Daniel and Esther were removed to make the Protestant Bible.>>> Yet, protestants were persecuted, and their values repressed for over 180 years til 1781, when Emperor Joseph the II issued a charter of tollerance. An interesting aside, the luthern bible spread mostly from the returning soldiers from the war. Maybe all of america will be reading the koran in a few years. I'm sure that a law will be inacted forcing the burning of the koran, while the american flag will only be allowed to be made of asbestos.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "<<<Hellooooo! I'm a CATHOLIC.>>> Sounds like a valley girl catholic to me. Well, Whatever." Okay, THAT was funny.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Went to our town high school football game last night and the entire team went to midfield and said a prayer before the game all in a big circle. Then the school band played the national anthem and God Bless America. It's nice to know that the ACLU is powerless to stop traditional Americans from being traditional Americans.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd I sing God Bless America every time the ACLU wins an important court case. Okay, the truth is i hum it in my head.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<Okay, THAT was funny.>>> Thanks singleparkpassholder. Now, can i ask you a few quick questions? Thank you, i will anyway. Are you satisfied with just one park, or do you think maybe it's time for a multiple park pass? Also, what park is the single park pass for in the first place?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Rarely go to DCA, and when we do it's usually to drink, so most of our time is spent at DL.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I sing God Bless America every time the ACLU wins an important court case. Okay, the truth is i hum it in my head.< better be careful - they'll take you to court and demand you drop the God part, or sing a different song.... ( yes I am partially kidding, but partially not) however wierd to use the ACLU to say one celebrates by singing a song with a religious reference...
Originally Posted By jonvn The people in the ACLU don't have to be athiests. They simply have a strict view of the separation of church and state.
Originally Posted By DlandJB Exactly, but there are certain elements on the boards that will never accept that. Doesn't make it untrue.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <The people in the ACLU don't have to be athiests. They simply have a strict view of the separation of church and state.< no one said they had to be atheists, but more of their cases are for exclusionary efforts, not inclusionary. Not saying they wouldn't take a case the other way, but that is not where the majority of their efforts are requested... so does that make me part of the shadowy "certain elements" ? Geez
Originally Posted By DlandJB Not saying they wouldn't take a case the other way, but that is not where the majority of their efforts are requested... so does that make me part of the shadowy "certain elements" ? Geez >>>>>>> The "certain elements" are not shadowy and will be clear as a bell that they believe ACLU=Godless communists. You make an important point. The ACLU takes the cases that are brought to them. When Jerry Falwell came to them to ask them to file a "friend of the court" brief in support of his efforts to gain more property for his church and to incorporate, which was being hindered by archaic laws in the Commonwealth of Virginia. I don't always agree with their stances or the cases they take. They play on the same level of hyberbole that the NRA does with regard to guns ("any restrictions will bring about the end of civilization.") I think both (and other similar organizations) do that for fundraising purposes more than anything.
