Originally Posted By ecdc >>And DAR, you haven't been remotely consistent. You claim to be, but you're not. You easily whine far more about Democrats than you ever have Republicans. Not exclusively, but far, far more, I'd wager.<< Sorry, the word "whine" came out completely wrong. I "whine" about Republicans all the time here - I meant it to mean complain about. I don't think DAR's a whiner at all - I just don't think he's as moderate as he implied in his post.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< But gadzuux he did nothing morally wrong in the first place, if you're talking about the bathroom stuff. Looking for a sexual encounter with another who consents is perfectly fine be it with female or male, be it at a club, bathroom, internet or wedding. >>> I have to disagree, at least to some extent. A restroom stall at a nightclub is one thing, but at an airport? I don't normally like to play the "think of the children!" card, but in this case I think it's appropriate: I think there is a public interest in having a public bathroom in an airport free of people carrying on sexual activities in the stalls.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Tea room tricks are morally questionable, and a crime. Just ask George Michael - he'll tell you all about it. >> Tea what???? Oh team room, tea room. Carry on.
Originally Posted By barboy Just for the record I don't want to walk in on two going at it in a public place either and naturally children shouldn't have to be exposed to it as well. That is why I was careful the way I worded things. Again I find no moral breach for those *LOOKING* for a sexual encounter in bathrooms or just about anywhere as long as the one with whom they are negotiating consents. From there please consummate in a private place though. Craig didn't have sex in the bathroom, right? He was looking for a hookup by using codes and I have no problem with that. Just because the codes were in a bathroom vs bar vs funeral vs Cousin Vinny's house makes no moral difference to me. But I would hope that once he found a partner that they would go get a room.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Craig didn't have sex in the bathroom, right? He was looking for a hookup by using codes and I have no problem with that. Just because the codes were in a bathroom vs bar vs funeral vs Cousin Vinny's house makes no moral difference to me. But I would hope that once he found a partner that they would go get a room.> Hope again. Craig only had about a 45 minute layover, IIRC. He was lookin' for it right then, right there, probably.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin I think the guys a scumbag...such a hypocrite...and I don't care who you are it's pretty tacky to try to find a 'hook-up' in a bathroom.
Originally Posted By barboy ///He was lookin' for it right then, right there, probably./// That sounds like a solid bet based on the layover time you bring up. But is it possible if he found a partner that he would just catch a different plane. I mean if one is a senator then he likely has access to flights much easier than the rest of us due to power, money and expense accounts. For example, if he were flying from LA to New York there would be a ton of flights available all day but if he were flying from Flint, Michigan to Tallahassee, Fl then I doubt he would want to miss his plane even for a hookup. But who knows??? Furthermore, I've heard of dirty sex but that takes the cake. Bathrooms are filthy places.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I take it you're a youngun who's grown up accustomed to people being "out and proud" and easy availability through bars, clubs, internet and other options. This is a relatively recent development - maybe the last forty years or so. Back in earlier eras, pretty much everybody was closeted and the "love that dare not speak it's name" often took place in such furtive circumstances.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<"Tea Room" is gay code. Wait'll you see the secret handshake!>> Tell 'em about the glory hole, gadz. I wanna see their heads implode.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I feel like Peggy Fleming trying to skate around these sticky topics. Thing is - 'barboy' lives here in SF, and I could not only tell him stories, but I could point him to a restroom or two. That'd really open his eyes.
Originally Posted By barboy ///I take it you're a youngun/// Don't let the moniker 'barboy' and writing style fool you---- I'm deep into adulthood, about half way to the grave if one lives a full life or reaches a stereotypical elderly age. Hint: I was a wet behind the ears college kid(who actually thought he had the goods to play pro baseball) when I voted for Mike Dukakis. One reason I chose 'barboy' was because I look very boyish and I drink often. ///Back in earlier eras, pretty much everybody was closeted and the "love that dare not speak it's name" often took place in such furtive circumstances./// ---makes sense. Could it be a large reason why Craig continued to use bathrooms---- maybe that's all he knew growing up and felt safer hooking up in that fashion than using this modern internet.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Tell 'em about the glory hole, gadz. I wanna see their heads implode./// I think that I actually saw one one time in Huntington Beach(that's coastal LA area for the non Californians) years back. And one must be extremely brave and/or horny to do something like that. I mean what if some knife or scissor wielding freak/right wing fundamentalist nut job targeted a gay stall. If I were attracted to men I'd be way too paranoid to try it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Here's something I haven't divulged here before. Back in the late 70's, when I thought I was going to be a cop and taking all the right classes for it, I wore a wire for the Laguna Beach P.D. All I did was walk in and out of the public bathrooms near the Boom Boom Room, a popular gay bar then. I said nothing first to anyone, rarely made eye contact unless spoken to first. I was hit upon constantly, propositioned for every sexual act you can imagine, all to be done right then and there in the stalls, some of which didn't have doors. Often, I'd walk in and interrupt people right in the middle of well, take a guess. I did this assignment for a month, 2-3 days a week. I was 20 years old and in great shape, as I was still wrestling competitively then. I hated that work. I didn't have to do a damn thing to entice anyone, simpky walk in. If I walked into ten bathrooms, I was hit on 6-7 times. Entrapment was not an issue. After a month, word got around, and things cleared up. But every now and then to this day. Laguna Beach P.D. still has a problem with the public bathrooms.
Originally Posted By barboy Wow, another very interesting and terribly relevant story SinglePark. From the O.J. saga to Micheal Jackson insider info. to jobs as Target security to lawyering to Chuck Norris you always add something of great value and interest. As for Laguna Beach, I really hope that police targeted that bathroom soley because it's a public place, used by children and those who don't want to be exposed to public sex acts. It would be nice to know that it wasn't slated for cleanup and sting ops because of gay sex as opposed to heterosex; but I'm not that naive--- that was the late 70's and I wouldn't be surprised if I were to find out that the city secretly(or even more overtly)viewed gay sex as some public nuisance. SingleParkPassholder, in your estimation do you think that Laguna Beach PD would have tried to clean that spot up if there were heterosexual instead of gay hookups taking place?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I wouldn't want to take my kids in to a place where either was taking place, but especially male on male action. For the bedroom folks.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "SingleParkPassholder, in your estimation do you think that Laguna Beach PD would have tried to clean that spot up if there were heterosexual instead of gay hookups taking place?" Oh yeah. If memory serves, there was a lot of complaints of used condoms, etc., in the area which led to the police doing something. However, for whatever reason, you just don't hear a lot of complaints about hetero sex in public bathrooms.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Wow, another very interesting and terribly relevant story SinglePark. From the O.J. saga to Micheal Jackson insider info. to jobs as Target security to lawyering to Chuck Norris you always add something of great value and interest." Someday I'm gonna write a book.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder And the book's going to be called "Things I Did And Heard At Work Or "It Can't Be My Kid, I Only Ever Went In Her Back Door".
