Originally Posted By Inspector 57 Let 'em secede. GO FOR IT, TEXAS! As a tourist, I've never felt so uncomfortable as I have in Texas. Every other t-shirt there says "Don't Mess With Texas!" And you get the sense that there are ten muscleheads for every t-shirt waiting to enforce that guideline. Sell Texas back to Mexico. (LOL, DAR!) Let 'em become their own little redneck country. Whatever. If they want to leave us... Adios! Buena Suerte! It was real, and it was fun -- but it wasn't real fun!
Originally Posted By EdisYoda People, people, people. Let's think this through. If Texas were to leave us, we'd lose the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders! I mean really, we CAN'T let this happen!
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "But the guy shouldn't be talking about secession at all. They lose and the other guy's been in office for 85 days and this is the result? My hell, can you even imagine if a liberal governor had talked about his state seceding because of Bush? So much for country first." I am seriously at a loss here as to the dramatic reaction those on the right are having about this. Where were the "tea parties" and protests when Bush ballooned the goverment to monumental proportions? We are now living with the mess he helped create, but while it was happening, not a word. So, now that somebody has to clean it up, it's suddenly their fault? I'm just amazed that people can get in that mindset that to question their positions woudl be un-American, but if it's something they disagree with, there is talk of seccession or protest??
Originally Posted By Chris in Atlanta >>>We are now living with the mess he helped create, but while it was happening, not a word. So, now that somebody has to clean it up, it's suddenly their fault?<<< While there is a lot of truth and good logic in this statement... It works for now. But the "this is all Bush's fault" is only going to work for 5 or 6 years tops. No matter what the case, ANYONE even saying the word "seccession" is out of line, especially saying it from the office of the Governor. But in his defense, I think his exact quote has been taken way out of context, by the severely biased left media like CNN and MSNBC and company. I thin Charlie Gibson started all of this business. EVerything Gibson ever says should be dismissed out of hand without consideration because he is a Liberal Extremist in sheep's clothing, posing as an actual journalist. The nerve! That guy is further left than Obama!
Originally Posted By Chris in Atlanta Yes I AM joking about Charlie. I just said that for K2oonman's benefit. ;p
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Every other t-shirt there says "Don't Mess With Texas!" And you get the sense that there are ten muscleheads for every t-shirt waiting to enforce that guideline.*** Apparently some Texans walk around with T-shirts that read "Boeing". I don't get it.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***It works for now. But the "this is all Bush's fault" is only going to work for 5 or 6 years tops.*** Day by day, the argument weakens. And so far I gather that the President is well aware of this. While he has been attacked without mercy from the far right, in the meantime he's trying to do some work. IMHO it will have nothing to do with Bush within 12 months of the inauguration. 18 months at best. At that point, I for one will look to those in charge ENTIRELY for solutions and explanations. Even now, I am doing so to an extent, but with an understanding that they are cleaning up after someone else. After 12-18 months, that won't be relevant anymore imho (it becomes less relevant every day, is my point).
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "It works for now. But the "this is all Bush's fault" is only going to work for 5 or 6 years tops. " Exactly, but so far, it's been just a few months, and it's already the end of the world. The "outrage" that's being shown here is completely out of proportion to the time he's been in office, and what the previous 8 years were filled with. I hope most of the American public can see the hand-wringing for what it is, but unfortunately I'm not that optimistic, because I think it's easy for people to just take what they hear at face value and start panicking without knowing the facts... But yes, like Mr. X, I too will be questioning this administration more after 12 to 18 months when they should have a better handle on things. Right now, I'm giving them some adjusting time and not panicking about it. Either way, I also know that it's unfortunately not going to be pretty trying to fix the mess we're in either way. We're all going to have to make some kinf of sacrifice somewhere, we just can't get by on doing nothing.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<We're all going to have to make some kinf of sacrifice somewhere, we just can't get by on doing nothing.>> If only the majority of Americans actually understood that statement, but I have a funny feeling that if any real sacrificing happens, we can kiss Obama good-bye. Everyone in this country talks a good story about sacrificing for the greater good - but when the rubber actually meets the road, all we here is complaining about the government. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 It's funny (well, not really), but I don't see the American public being able to make any real sacrifices the way this country used to. Do you think anybody would be alble to ration things the way the country did during WW2? I think we've become such a self-centered people, there is no way we would make a sacrifice that might inconvenience us. It's unfortunate though, because there really isn't an easy way to fix our problems, and somebody is going to have to suffer for it...the economy won't just magically fix itself...
Originally Posted By ecdc Sadly, this is probably right. After everyone gets done waving their flags and tearing up over mom and apple pie, they start complaining about taxes. Maybe I'm different. I see my government and my country as one in the same. Sure, the country is more than the government, but I personally can't separate the two. So I just don't get this whole anti-government sentiment. And sure, I don't want my taxes wasted, but all big organizations have some waste. It's part of the deal, unfortunately. If it means getting our country out of this mess and getting on the road to health care for all Americans, then I'm happy to see my taxes go up. And I'm a solidly middle-class American - not some rich person. But how can I say I love my country if I'm not willing to invest in it? How can I pretend to be a good American if all I do is whine and moan about my government and taxes?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Look at it this way. The far right is a-okay with sacrificing someone's son or daughter for the greater good in a war that they created, but when it comes to taking their money for the same reason, that's a sacrifice that's sacrilegious.
Originally Posted By DAR If you think about it then maybe it wouldn't be too bad if Texas did this maybe they'd be willing to take out the Mexican cartels.
Originally Posted By Pixie Glitter A. "Governor says Texas might secede." No. No, he didn't. Not even remotely. B. I always find it amusing when many of you who are so quick to champion your own personal "don't be bigoted against _____ population" causes---fill in the blank with gays, atheists, minorities, conservatives, liberals, what have you--- fall all over yourselves making ignorant, bigoted generalizations about a different group of people like, say for example, Texans. So bigotry is okay so long as it isn't aimed at you or your pet group, right?
Originally Posted By Pixie Glitter But just for the record, I don't support Perry's anti-federal government views. Forgot to mention that in my reaction to the extremely deceptive thread title and the Texas bashing.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <bigoted generalizations about a different group of people like, say for example, Texans> Bigoted? Really? Do you see anyone on this thread stating that Texans shouldn't be allowed to marry the person they love? Or saying that they shouldn't have the same rights as someone else? No. You're seeing a little joking at Texans expense - but I would hardly call that bigotry.
Originally Posted By DVC_Pongo >>>Sure, the country is more than the government, but I personally can't separate the two.<<< huh?
