Originally Posted By dshyates Douglas, you have official lost ALL credibility with me. Post 40 is absolutely delusional.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Maybe he believed this administration would actually BE bipartisan." "Yes. Not only did President Bush have Democrats in his cabinet and as top advisors, he listened to them and allowed Congressional Democrats to have substantial input on bills such as No Child Left Behind, Medicare prescription drugs, and immigration reform. President Obama, on the other hand, told Congressional Republicans, "I won", and pulled the census from Commerce right after Sen Gregg said yes." Both statements are unbelievably short-sighted. But what the hell. Let's judge Obama as being strictly partisan and he hasn't even been in office a complete four weeks. What crap. It reeks of sore losers, really. I'll go back to what vbdad succinctly said. This is no time to hold the country hostage over petty ideological differences. Republicans can either do the grown up thing and learn from their defeats or continue to throw tantrums on the playground, only to be finally expelled in two years because people will have had enough. You'd think they would have gotten that message already.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Douglas, you have official lost ALL credibility with me. Post 40 is absolutely delusional." So maybe you can sense why some of us allow ourselves to be dragged into the tedium then, no?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh I'm sure everything would be better if I shut up and drank the kool-aid, rather than pointing out the facts that contradict the liberal narrative. But that's just not me, sorry.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I'm sure everything would be better if I shut up and drank the kool-aid, rather than pointing out the facts that contradict the liberal narrative. But that's just not me, sorry." Apologize to yourself, not us.
Originally Posted By ecdc I'll just pop in to reiterate what I said a couple of months ago after Obama was elected. You may recall that Rush Limbaugh was saying then that "Obama will be just like FDR." He meant it as an insult. I truly believe in different perspectives. Honestly. It's important. We do not want just one group in charge. But this current crop of Republicans, at least those in charge, are people who live in a fantasyland where they create their own reality. In their reality, FDR was a bad President because he increased government spending. Forget that historians almost universally consider FDR to be one of our 5 best Presidents, often ranking 3rd after Lincoln and Washington. Forget that they almost universally agree that without FDR's intervention and spending, the U.S. could've taken another 10 years or more to emerge from the depression, even with the spending brought on by the war. These people invent their own "truth" out of whole cloth. It's truthiness at its best. They live in a world where facts are malleable. This applies to multiple topics. As we recognize Darwin's 200th birthday, recall that there's still people who think they can "believe" or "not believe" in evolution. One might as well not believe in gravity. But in our current culture, people think they can say "I believe" and then we're supposed to bow down to it. These people live in a world where they can simply utter something, and the very fact that they said it makes it true in their mind. How do you reason with that? How do you compromise with that? You can't. And I think Obama's learned the hard way that he can't spend time trying to appease people for whom reality is whatever they want it to be. That's why, fortunately, Obama has decided to not reach out next time and instead campaign across the country to try and pressure lawmakers. Good for him.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I have to agree that the sniping and bickering is getting tedious. And conservative posters have a point that this room could become an echo chamber if there aren't people to step up and espouse the arguments for the 'other side'. The problem is that some of the people here who are shouldering that task aren't very good at it. I already know where the progressive view's "weak points" are, and the conservatives here never seem to zero in on them. Instead, they just profer whatever GOP talking points are handed down to them. On the third hand, most of us have been here for years now, and we know each other's arguments and beliefs and "style". Most of us can practically write douglas's posts for him. ("No you can't!"). So can we dial down on the sniping at other posters? It becomes destructive to the tone of the board overall.
