Frozen won't last forever. Eventually it will get replaced with something else; I suspect its run will be significantly shorter than Aladdin's was. That said, I can't see them putting the park's (heck, the resort's) major theater venue in a land that limits their possibilities so much. Given that Disney seems unwilling to mix Marvel with any of the traditional Disney brands, it would essentially paint them into a corner of only being able to do Marvel-type shows Maybe we'll finally get that theme park version of Spiderman: Turn Off the Dark that nobody was asking for (or better yet, Spiderman 2: Too Many Spidermen, as previewed on Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt)
>>I have no problem with changing the theme to something that fits the surroundings better, but I struggle to see how Guardians of the Galaxy fits that bill<< I feel like it will have to be so top heavy with set up and explanation and backstory that it doesn't seem worth the effort to me. I really don't think it HAS to be Twilight Zone (it lacks the classic Twilight Zone twist anyway, and always has, so for me the connection has always been missing and never really paid off beyond the initial set up) but this feels really forced. I liked Guardians of the Galaxy and even saw it twice, but until this new rumor came up, I'd pretty much forgotten about "The Collector" character entirely. : /
Well, MA rumors Well, MA rumors always have to be taken with a grain or 10 of salt. I have trouble enough believing the Guardians overlay to begin with. Marvel stuff would presumably be mostly in currently empty area south of TOT. (Though FA is quite right that TOT would face away from it.) They could also perhaps commandeer some or all of FFF. (It would be quite easy to change those flat rides (except Heimlich) into Marvel-themed rather than Bugs themed, if they wanted to). But this all supposes that a Guardian's overlay is a done deal rather than just something they've discussed as a "maybe." Until I hear more than rumors, it's still a "maybe" to me.
The rumors actually came from a couple different posters over at WDWMagic, who have very good records and appear to have sourced their information independently of each other. MiceAge picked the story up a week or two later, and pretended like it was brand new since the majority of the soCal audience hadn't seen it yet. I agree that MiceAge has had some pretty questionable rumors in recent years (though by all accounts their Star Wars map is spot on), but this one didn't come from them; I trust these sources a lot more than MA, unfortunately The silver lining for the moment appears to be that it will only be at DCA, since WDW can't afford to close a headliner in a park with only 4 rides. While it doesn't make any sense for DCA's ride, it would be a tragedy to lose the WDW version (ironically, this whole thing started as a concept for WDW, where they have limits on which Marvel characters could be used; since it's only DLR now they could presumably change it to something that fits the theme, like Captain America, but that's too logical). Unfortunately, it appears all-but finalized for DCA
MiceAge has pretty good track record for predicting outcomes when development is imminent. However, the further out the project is from actually happening the more wrong and weird their predictions are, which leads me to believe that they frequently post rumors from sketchy and unreliable sources. Remember the breathless announcement in early 2014 stating that a SW redo of Tomorrowland had been greelit and the upcoming closure of the Subs for renovations was just a ruse, and they were actually being mothballed until SW Land construction began? MiceChat - Disneyland Resort, Features, MiceAge Update - MiceAge Disneyland Update: Goat Hijinks, Jedi Mind Tricks and Rabbit Holes
I also believe the TOT rumor is coming true. The sources Ferret mentioned are trustworthy, and I've accepted it as true st this point. Kinda bummed my kids won't get to ride the TOT version of the ride, but it's swapping out one IP for another, and I really like GOTG, so I'm not too upset.
Well, at the time, they actually were designing a Star Wars for Tomorrowland that included removing the Subs. So while it was fortunate that they didn't go through with that concept, it WAS actually accurate at the time.
Doubtful. In fact someone in the link posted a response that the information was wrong, and shared inside information that the Subs were scheduled to return in September of that year. Maybe TL was considered for SW Land at some point during the project's evolution, but MiceAge got it very wrong that the closure of the Subs was an indicator that TL was on the verge of closing for a SW redo.
No, they can't, but wasn't part of this rumor the idea that Disney was losing the lease on the IP for TOT from CBS, and they didn't want to renew the lease, and that's why they were looking to fix what wasn't broken in the first place? If they're losing the lease, wouldn't that apply to WDW too? I know Marvel is different in CA and FL because of Marvel's presence at IOA, but I wouldn't think TOT would be different in the different places... ??? <While it doesn't make any sense for DCA's ride, it would be a tragedy to lose the WDW version (ironically, this whole thing started as a concept for WDW, where they have limits on which Marvel characters could be used; since it's only DLR now they could presumably change it to something that fits the theme, like Captain America, but that's too logical). > How does Captain America make sense for TOT? I haven't seen the films.
Captain America started out during the 40's World War II as a super soldier experiment. Nazi's could have planted a bomb in the Tip Top Club and Cap has to stop the bad guys. The bad guys mess with the elevator system and Cap saves the day.
Um, okay. Quite a messing with the elevator system to make it do more than just crash down once! That's why, although 2oony is quite right about there not being a TZ-style "twist" to it, it still worked for me... something supernatural is at work in there, making you not just crash (as bad guys presumably would want), but go up and down multiple times. I guess Cap America could be lifting you up from the bottom? But then lets you fall again for some unknown reason? Seems pretty convoluted. Not that Guardians necessarily works any better, mind you.
You know what's funny, is that POTC for decades never had all this elaborate set up and explanation. You went back in time (the skeleton pirates) and then went back in time farther still to see the pirates doing their thing. It's very cinematic, the pacing unfolds slowly, moodily. And the story is left largely up to guests to interpret in their own way, because the attraction was designed by people who started out as filmmakers. I think some of that mystery vs. the more literal way attractions like this are told today is what adds to their longevity. Are today's audiences so impatient that if there must be a clear, direct tie in or story, with nothing left to personal interpretation, or does Disney not give people enough credit? (I know that much of it is because of guest surveys, where they want more characters, and much of it is because those tie ins also generate merchandise sales.) Maybe today's audience just needs things to be very literal, clear, familiar and obvious right out of the gate or they won't give it a chance.
I agree with you too, 2oony. That's why DL's POTC works so well for me. It's like a really well done film with a great opening and closing and a fantastic mid-section. The new Shanghai one is well done, but it's a very myopic story. DL's has a repeatability factor that I'm not sure SDL's will have.
That's precisely why Swiss Family Treehouse was better than Tarzan's Treehouse, IMHO: you entered the home of a jungle-stranded family. Look--that's where the parents actually sleep! (Are they a family of little people?) That water wheel is amazing. Where is the family? They must be around here somewhere . . . . It is all about discovery, wonder and making the fantastic realistic. Compare that to: a stationary plastic cheetah with sound effects; an odd video projection of one stationary plastic figure drawing another, etc. The inevitable thought becomes Why are we looking at all this again???
>>>Captain America started out during the 40's World War II as a super soldier experiment. Nazi's could have planted a bomb in the Tip Top Club and Cap has to stop the bad guys. The bad guys mess with the elevator system and Cap saves the day<<< Exactly. Captain America would easily be a perfect fit - period wise and theme wise.
