Originally Posted By markedward Gitmo in Frontierland? I just don't get it. A) I completely, well 95%, disapprove of guerilla artists - I did kind of like the one who switched Barbee's voice with GI Joe's. B) This guy's message and medium just make no sense. A statue of a child laborer in It's A Small World would have had a point. A "No means No" sign being held by one of the wenchs for sale in POTC. But a Gitmo prisoner on Big Thunder. What "artistic vision" could possibly lead to that one? Illegal, yes. Art, maybe to someone. Dumb, seems to me. And don't get me wrong, I would be absolutely against either of the scenarios mentioned above. Disneyland is private property, a place for escape, and a place for children.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 ">>yet is was high profile and still has you talking about it today.<< There is such a thing as negative publicity." I was going to say something like this. Yeah, people are talking about these things, but if you notice nobody is really talking about the issue these people are trying to bring up. Are we really discussing the "Gitmo" or "Governator" issues? No, we're talking about the acts of the protestors...seems to me they didn't really get their points across.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss Maybe the "artist" really doesn't have a point and is just looking to gain attention for hinself. The issues he chooses are perhaps merely a tactic for getting the attention he desires.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA ^^^Could be, trekkeruss. When I'm at Disneyland this November, my plan is, while standing on the deck of the Columbia Sailing Ship, to drop my pants and moon the guests in New Orleans Square as we sail by. I'm doing it to remind people that we shouldn't be dependent on foreign oil. I hope that while slightly unconventional, that my protest will be clear.
Originally Posted By spaceace Sorry Jim I already did that. The photo in the article looked to me like he put in the BT trail behind the ride. There is really no security on that side and as slow as it has been in the park it would be real easy to hop over a rail there and put it up. As for his freedom of speach yes you have that right but they had to shut the ride down to remove it then he affected everyone else's rights then. I am sorry just by saying it is art dose not make it ok. If I wanted to burn a car at the entrance to the DL parking garge to protest the high gas prices I would get arrested. Also is this guy even a citizen of the United States? I heard about the Hilton CD thing and didn't that happen in the U.K.?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Freedom of speech really doesn't apply for private property. Part of the privelage that our country allowes us to have is to set our own rules for our own area. If they happen to be more strict than what the normal laws are, that is fine. If they happen to be less strict, well too bad, you can still be arested anyway. It is like how schools have the right to go through kids' stuff, without their permission. Part of being in Disneyland is giving up the right to do some stupid stuff, and I hope this guy gets what he has coming to him.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster Public corporations own the government. The government owns all public places. If our right to free speech is only allowed in public places, where do we protest?
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA That's the point of doing it. It's not 'okay' -- this artist didn't get permission, he didn't do it legally, and he could have been arrested. That's the idea. It's like that group of 100 people who dressed up like BestBuy employees, infiltrated the store, and just stood in the aisles. Civil Disobedience 101.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice Flash Mob events... Cool! Wish someone would plan one for Vegas... I'd be there for laughs!
Originally Posted By alexbook >>Everyday? No A one time shot? Yes.<< Important distinction there. To take an example from my own work life, the first time I noticed that somebody had gone through a bookstore where I worked and rearranged the books in a way that "made a statement", I found it amusing and actually kind of cool. The second time, not so much. The umpteen-dozenth time, not at all. One difference between "guerrilla art" and simple vandalism is the originality and creativity displayed. I think Banksy showed enough creativity to be applauded. And if he's a true guerrilla artist, he'll be willing to do the time to pay for his crime, since his trial will just generate more publicity for his cause.
Originally Posted By moondevil "I think Banksy showed enough creativity to be applauded" Where's the creativity in placing a Camp X-Ray detainee in an old west mine train setting? The guy is a hack and a jerk and should be barred from ever entering a Disney property ever again.
Originally Posted By markedward The guy believes in the right to perform outrageous acts as a political and artistic statement. I say Wal-Mart should buy up the block he lives on, build the biggest Wal-Mart ever, and build it's parking lot around his house. Purely as an artistic statement, you understand.
Originally Posted By markedward But I'm slipping into WE territory here. For the record, I can see how people would disagree about this. I do not believe people who applaud such "artists" are going to bring about the end of civilization as we know it.
Originally Posted By DlandDug A Flash Mob in Vegas? They'd get shot. >>Do you remember those little blackclothed guys in Star Wars, the ones with the little red eyes??<< Yes, the Jawas.
Originally Posted By wolfchild Well, for anyone in the SoCal area-Banksy is going to be having a big show in LA Spet 15th-17th. Which is probably part of the reason he is in the area from the UK anyway. He'll be there, but don't expect to see him, nobody (save from a select few) even know what he looks like since he normally wears a monkey mask for any kind of pics or anything that people might take of him. His website is <a href="http://www.banksy.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.banksy.co.uk/</a> (warning-while I haven't really been all around his site, the person that gave me the info said that it is 18 and over content in a lot of it)
Originally Posted By Disney_fan77 I did not take the time to read most of the posts but felt it imperative to post that this picture looks photoshopped! Take a close look at the shadows and water reflection. There are no shadows of the figure present, nor are there any reflections on the water of anything but the figure - no fence reflected in water!
Originally Posted By wonderingalice You may have a legitimate point there, Doug... Metro shot a home burglar who 'threatened' them with a cell phone yesterday afternoon. Yeah, the guy was breaking into a home (that bites - my ex and I were victims twice, many years ago), but the last time I checked, that's not grounds for cops to open fire. They're under fire (pardon the pun) right now for being trigger-happy. It's getting a bit scary, indeed... I mentioned a hypothetical situation to Mr. Alice as we watched the story on the news - suppose you're a deaf homeowner who's locked out of the house. You're breaking in with a hammer and WHOOPS, that sucker looks like a gun, so BOOM! Far-fetched maybe, but these days it wouldn't surprise me to see it happen.
Originally Posted By knoxvelour not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but apparently the figure was inflatable, which explains how it got past the security check point
Originally Posted By wonderingalice Oh my! It could have been another Hindenburgh disaster!! ACCCKKKKK!!! Hee hee... ;-)
