Originally Posted By ecdc >>It's exceptionally short sighted and ignorant of the past to act like this is more then it actually is - which is exactly what you're doing.<< Actually, if you followed my posts you'd know I have a broader view of human history than most. I've read Alan Weisman's "The World Without Us" and I'm plenty familiar with how well mother nature and the earth will go on without humans, and how resilient it is to our screw-ups. Don't make the mistake of assuming I'm some doper-hippie making a knee-jerk reaction and sending checks to the Earth Liberation Front. You keep insisting this is essentially a non-event, even going so far as to say it won't impact Gulf Residents' lives at all. A few of us have asked why now, and we haven't gotten an answer. Do you have stock in the company? Let's be conservative and assume that in some respects you're right; it won't be as big an impact as many experts are predicting. It's STILL the biggest oil spill in decades, and has the very real potential to overtake the Exxon-Valdez disaster in terms of gallons. Your response is, "Oh man, that's nothin'! 30 years ago there was an even BIGGER spill!" So it's not a big deal because there was a bigger one 30 years ago? Was the West Virginia miners' deaths not a big deal because we had far bigger mining disasters around the turn of the century? Is mine safety not any big deal because it's better than it was? I mean, most coal miners will keep right on working in their industry, so no big deal? I'm just trying to wrap my brain around the mentality that downplays a major environmental disaster at every turn. And you still haven't provided a single bit of evidence or links to back you up, beyond "move along, nothing to see here."
Originally Posted By mousermerf *twiddles thumbs* Can I at least get an acknowledgment that you read page 1 of the executive report I linked?
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Um - post 60.<< Post 60 is a link to a PDF file of the final summary of the IXTOC 1 oil spill. It only refutes claims by others that IXTOC 1 wasn't as big--a claim I've never made. You still haven't responded to the links or claims that show that this is a serious problem, that is a big event, nor have you answered the questions as to why you attempt to minimize what marine experts, the government, and the company itself all agree is a serious problem, perhaps even a large-scale environmental disaster.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <a href="http://www.gomr.mms.gov/PI/PDFImages/ESPIS/3/3929.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.gomr.mms.gov/PI/PDF...3929.pdf</a> This is the study that NPR linked to. They only show the amount of oil spilled in "millions of barrels", and I have no idea what that equates to in gallons. And frankly, I could care less. As ecdc said, does it really matter if this is the biggest or not? It's still a disaster for the people living along the coast, and you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss their pain.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>*twiddles thumbs* Can I at least get an acknowledgment that you read page 1 of the executive report I linked?<< You mean the report that doesn't respond to anything anyone said, beyond the size of the oil spill?
Originally Posted By ecdc Still waiting for that explanation as to why you're so determined to say this is a non-event.... Is it insider-information we're not privy too? Is it stock ownership as plpeters suggested? Is it a general lack of belief in the environmental movement and climate change, and this is simply an extension of that?
Originally Posted By mousermerf <<< It's still a disaster for the people living along the coast, and you shouldn't be so quick to dismiss their pain.>>> I have a home on the coast - family there too. I have no such pain.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<I have a home on the coast - family there too. I have no such pain.>> How lovely for you. And obviously since you're not feeling any pain, no one else along the coast can be either, right?
Originally Posted By mousermerf The area that is hurting failed to plan. Fail to plan, plan to fail. They were warned.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<The area that is hurting failed to plan. Fail to plan, plan to fail. They were warned.>> So, now it IS a big deal, right? But since they failed to plan, it's their fault, and they'll just have to deal with it. Am I getting all this? You know, I hate to say this, but you can really come across as very self centered in some of your posts. I hope you're not that way in real life!
Originally Posted By plpeters70 I still haven't seen an explanation for why things weren't a big deal one minute, but then they were the next but it's the coastal residents fault for not planning ahead. Which is it - a big issue, or not?
Originally Posted By mousermerf Have you heard of a color called grey? Sometimes spelled "gray" and it's actually neither black nor white, but something in between. This is an event and needs attention, but it is not a major earth shattering event.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> What a brilliant bit of twisted logic. Hey, here's an idea! Since we need to create jobs, let's just pour oil on wildlife so we can employ people to clean it off. WTF? << What don't you understand? The Audubon Society is happy to be cleaning oil off shorebirds as long as they're getting paid. Right, merf?
Originally Posted By leobloom >> I have no such pain. << But it did sting to get snubbed by WDI, didn't it?
Originally Posted By leobloom >> You come off as overly sentimental and irrational in your posts. << You come off as conceited and ignorant. Stick to photgraphing construction walls at Epcot, that seems more befitting a person of your mental capacity.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 FWIW, the Gov. of Florida has declared a state of emergency for six coastal counties, joining the Gov. of Louisiana. One sentence from the article: "The cost to the fishing industry in the Gulf of Mexico area is estimated in several billion US dollars." That sort of doesn't sound much like a synonym for "hardly affected." <a href="http://en.mercopress.com/2010/05/01/as-bp-oil-spill-advances-florida-declares-state-of-emergency" target="_blank">http://en.mercopress.com/2010/...mergency</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc >>That sort of doesn't sound much like a synonym for "hardly affected."<< Neither does this: >>As dead sea turtles washed ashore, oil sloshed over inflatable barriers and the government ordered fishermen to stay home indefinitely, communities along the Gulf Coast and beyond braced Sunday for an environmental and economic tragedy that is growing worse by the day.<< <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-05-02-oilspill_N.htm" target="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/news/n...ll_N.htm</a>
