Gun Sales Surge In Wake Of Shooting

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    Originally Posted By DDMAN26

    Another thing I'm not willing to play the violent movies or tv plays a role card. But violent video games, that I might be willing to listen to more. Even Saturday I was watching a basketball game and I saw two ads for Call of Duty. We're simply a violent a culture.
     
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    Originally Posted By TomSawyer

    "You're not just going to change people overnight that are fully ensconsed in what they believe."

    It took decades to convince people to put their kids in car seats and to wear seatbelts, or to convince people that smoking is a really dumb idea, or that drinking and driving should be illegal.

    The culture can change. It's already changing - the percentage of people who own guns is declining in the US and has been since the 1970s. <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/23/news/la-pn-crime-is-down-and-so-is-gun-ownership-20120722" target="_blank">http://articles.latimes.com/20...20120722</a>

    The culture can change, but it takes a long time and a persistence of message like we saw with smoking and seatbelt laws.
     
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    Originally Posted By skinnerbox

    <<Which is why laws aren't going to make a difference if the culture doesn't change first.>>

    That's not the way it works, DD. Behavioral scientists have known about this for eons. Attitude shifts stem from behavioral shifts, not the other way around.

    If you want society to change in a particular attitude or belief, you must first change the behavior. That's human nature. And the easiest way to change behavior is to enact laws governing said behavior.

    Other than the excellent example Dabob cited about DUI reduction after drunk driving laws got tougher, the 1967 SCOTUS decision overturning 16 states which still had anti-miscegnation laws on their books is a classic example of how this works.

    At the time of this decision, over 70% of the country believed the Supreme Court was wrong to declare these laws unconstitutional. Attitudes about minorities were still very strong and quite racist. But that SCOTUS ruling, along with the Civil Rights Act, helped to shift attitudes about minorities by first shifting everyone's behavior, forcing people to accept interaction with those they would otherwise avoid, so they could learn a new perspective about who those people actually were.

    No doubt that we'd still be a more racist nation than we are had SCOTUS not ruled against those archaic laws. The behavior needed to change first for the attitude change to follow. And the same needs to happen here. We are never going to lose our old 'cowboy culture' and obsession with guns until guns are more restricted and more difficult to obtain, with more painful penalties for possessing them and/or using them illegally.
     
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    Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

    DyGDisney I just looked at your link, and wow.

    What I found fascinating is the correlation between nations with high religiosity and murder. The chart at the link below (lifted from the article) illustrates how less religious and less conservative states have less violence.

    <a href="http://globalsociology.com/files/2012/12/Religion-by-Behavior-29p2nsv.png" target="_blank">http://globalsociology.com/fil...2nsv.png</a>
     
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    Originally Posted By DyGDisney

    Crazy, right?!

    Maybe these so-called "Christians" have a version of the Bible which says, "Thou shalt not kill...unless you feel threatened in any way."
     
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    Originally Posted By dshyates

    Back during the fall, at least six American Christian Pastors and one duly elected Republican lawmaker publicly called for the systematic extermination of an entire group of American citizens for nothing more than being born homosexual.

    Nothing more need be said about Christianity in America
     
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    Originally Posted By Tikiduck

    God, guns and guts!
    Sometimes you have to wonder about the definitions of mental illness.
     
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    Originally Posted By TomSawyer

    They exhibit some signs of mental illness:

    Confused thinking

    Excessive fears or worries

    Detachment from reality (delusions), paranoia or hallucinations

    Excessive anger, hostility or violence
     
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    Originally Posted By wahooskipper

    You do realize extreme ______ doesn't represent everyone in the ______ group? I have been surrounded by loving, compassionate Christians my entire life. Six American Christian pastors don't represent me anymore than I represent you because we all happen to be members of LaughingPlace.
     
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    Originally Posted By dshyates

    "You do realize extreme ______ doesn't represent everyone in the ______ group? I have been surrounded by loving, compassionate Christians my entire life. Six American Christian pastors don't represent me anymore than I represent you because we all happen to be members of LaughingPlace."

    When it was just the Westboro Baptist Church it was an aberration. When pastors across the country calling for the extermination of gays it's not an aberration. When duly elected lawmakers start talking about it, you know, people with actual power to effect legislation, we can no longer sit back and point at the crazy Christians and laugh.
     
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    Originally Posted By DyGDisney

    How many of the loving, compassionate Christians have become racist, homosexual hating, fearmongers? Several I know. I think loving compassionate Christianity is being overtaken by FOX News Christianity.
     
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    Originally Posted By DyGDisney

    But wahoo, I hope you're right.
     
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    Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan

    >>I think loving compassionate Christianity is being overtaken by FOX News Christianity.<<

    Never heard it put that way put I think that's spot on. The very angry, self-righteous, my-way-or-the-highway, war-on-Christmas, politicized form of Christianity is a depressing thing that really has nothing to do with Christianity.

    I always liked the concept of George HW Bush's "kinder, gentler nation." That probably seems too wimpy for many conservatives today, but to me it is more Christian than most of what I've heard in the 20+ years since he first said it.

    When Reagan was shot, I thought finally we would do something. I think it every time there is some horrific shooting that NOW we'll do something. But I don't know if President Obama will take up this cause once the national attention shifts onto some other thing. It is still shocking to see how many people die from guns in this country compared to just about everywhere else on earth.

    I am not very hopeful much will change. At last count, we had guns for 9 out of every 10 people (adult and child) in America. We seem absolutely hard-wired to be into guns here.
     
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    Originally Posted By DDMAN26

    If we had the ability to give out likes wahoo would be getting a lot from me these last few days.
     
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    Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

    "You do realize extreme ______ doesn't represent everyone in the ______ group?"

    Personally I think they do, otherwise they would speak up and publicly condemn their behavior. That happens rarely, if ever.
     
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    Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan

    Yep!
     
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    Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan

    Ooops. 34 was for 34 but works for 35 too.
     
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    Originally Posted By wahooskipper

    I don't personally know any racist, homosexual hating, fearmongering Christians. Do those people get the spotlight? Sure, just as the abusers of guns get the spotlight or the Dennis Rodman's of the world get the spotlight.

    We are America. We not only love the spotlight but we have to watch what is in it. That explains all of the crap on television.

    I live in a community of 65,000, mostly Christian and Jewish individuals and I'm not sure I have seen one public message of hate in the 14 years I've lived here. Is there hatred? I suspect there is. But, it certainly isn't overt.

    So, what is the outlier? The knuckleheads you point out or the millions of others who quietly observe their faith?
     
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    Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan

    Hah! Math not me strong suit.
     
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    Originally Posted By DDMAN26

    38-Like
     

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