Originally Posted By cape cod joe Guns should be banned so there won't be 10.000's of crimes committed each year with them. I see the day when there WILL be a Constitutional amendment to stop the bloodshed and to clarify that ordinary citizens are NOT militia.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Ordinary citizens are the militia, ccj. If you are under 45 and healthy, you are legally obligated to report for duty if you're called up no matter how expensive your home is, how much property you own in Orlando or which hockey players live behind the moat with you.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Tom there is no need for personal stuff. It seems like you protesteth too much. I am not militia and it is not my Constitutional right to own a gun. Palatable I guess has to coincide with "your" truth as I mentioned in my post.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I mean, cars are a lot more useful (and ubiquitous) than guns, but you have to have a license to drive one, and even owning one requires registration.> I don't believe you need to register a car if you don't drive on public streets. Similarly, you shouldn't need to register a gun or have a license unless you carry it in public.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>I don't believe you need to register a car if you don't drive on public streets.<< In the state of California, you have to register your car even if you keep it parked in the garage. And that registration must be renewed regularly.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Dug--this is my business and you are right as in Mass but I think Douglas gave his personal assessment and not the law? Am I right Douglas?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>In the state of California, you have to register your car even if you keep it parked in the garage. And that registration must be renewed regularly.<< Definitely, and even if the vehicle is in a non-operative condition.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer ccj, I forgot that you are most likely over 45. If that's the case, you are not in the militia. Your son will be in the militia as soon he turns 17, though. I am in the militia for another four years. You were in the militia until you turned 45. If you don't think that the legal definition of militia that has been posted here applies, all you have to do is show us a standing court decision or a federal law that changes or voids that definition. Then I'll gladly admit that I was wrong.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Even accepting the definition of 'militia', there is no reason why HANDGUNS could not be outlawed. Handguns are generally not that useful in combat situations anyway. I have no problem with our 'civilian militia' owning rifles or shotguns. Of course being a patriotic American I make sure I am fulfilling my constitutional duty (even though I am over 45). I own and am quite adept at the use of both caulking guns and staple guns. I'm ready to go should my county need me.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <In the state of California, you have to register your car even if you keep it parked in the garage.> Not if you don't intend to drive in on a public street. "California Vehicle Code section 4000 (a) requires that all vehicles being driven, parked, moved or left standing upon a highway, or in an off street parking facility must be registered and fees paid to DMV." It follows therefore that all vehicles that are not being parked, moved or left standing upon a highway, or in an off street parking facility do not need to be registered.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Tom -----------you are right obviously--My thought is just an OPINION or a value. That's why my other post stated that I believe one day we will get a Constitutional Amendment to change the definition. I have implied you as well as others to be wrong on other things but this is legally sound (unfortunately) Tom--With your background, can you give my son some gun training before he goes in? fyi-----------we play with toy guns all the time as we separate that from the real guns. I'm no anti-gun freak but I just don't like all the killing.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Even accepting the definition of 'militia', there is no reason why HANDGUNS could not be outlawed.> You expect policemen to respond to every call with a rifle in their hands?
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Trip we're looking for a little maintenance work to be done and we don't have that stapler gun or caulking gun. You interested?
Originally Posted By imadisneygal "<In the state of California, you have to register your car even if you keep it parked in the garage.> Not if you don't intend to drive in on a public street. "California Vehicle Code section 4000 (a) requires that all vehicles being driven, parked, moved or left standing upon a highway, or in an off street parking facility must be registered and fees paid to DMV." It follows therefore that all vehicles that are not being parked, moved or left standing upon a highway, or in an off street parking facility do not need to be registered." If you own a car in california it must be registered. You can register it "PNO" or Planned Non-Operational...but it still must be registered and you must pay fees to DMV. "parked in an off street parking facility" sounds an awful lot like parked in a garage to me...
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<You expect policemen to respond to every call with a rifle in their hands?>> Come now Douglas... you know perfectly well my intent was to outlaw them for civilians only. Those in the military, non-civilian militia (National Guard) or law enforcement personnel would of course be allowed to have them.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <If you own a car in california it must be registered.> No, it doesn't. According to Meraz vs Farmers: "Pursuant to the foregoing Vehicle Code section, the Ford van was not required to be registered because the van was not driven, moved or left standing on a highway, and the van was stored in a privately owned offstreet parking facility with the express permission of the owner thereof. Since the van was not required to be registered, it was "not subject to motor vehicle registration." <"parked in an off street parking facility" sounds an awful lot like parked in a garage to me...> Section 4000 goes on to define that. "(2) For purposes of this subdivision, 'offstreet public parking facility' means either of the following: (A) Any publicly owned parking facility. (B) Any privately owned parking facility for which no fee for the privilege to park is charged and which is held open for the common public use of retail customers.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Those in the military, non-civilian militia (National Guard) or law enforcement personnel would of course be allowed to have them.> And thus starts the slippery slope.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>If you own a car in california it must be registered. You can register it "PNO" or Planned Non-Operational...but it still must be registered and you must pay fees to DMV. "parked in an off street parking facility" sounds an awful lot like parked in a garage to me...<< Exactly, imadisneygal. That's what DlandDug and I have been trying to get across as well. It may be different where DouglasDubh lives, but in California, if you own a car you have to register it and pay fees.
