Originally Posted By beamerdog >>Excuse me for being able to walk, I guess that prevents me from complaining about handicap people. Give me a break<< Wow! Such wrath! I have no fatty pads on the bottoms of my feet (yes, I look perfectly "normal"). If I'm walking too much, i.e., not very much, the bottoms of my feet blister and bleed without my even feeling it. Again, I don't like it when people take advantage of anything. But in this case I'd like to give people the benefit of the doubt. You're right. I don't know a thing about you. But from what you've demonstrated here, I really don't want to know anything more, lol. Btw, I've always thought that WDW limits family to the handicapped person and 5 others. Can anyone enlighten me as to when the policy was changed? All of this hatred is one of the reasons we always rent a car when we go. I agree wholeheartedly that if people would stop taking advantage of the ADA, then those of us who really need it would have a much easier time. For me the dirty looks and nasty comments out loud in public continue almost daily because most of the time I'm not in a wheelchair and don't look "handicapped" whatever that means. I think that this "discussion" has pretty much run its course for me.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Spirit, you seem to have a HUGE issue with obese people. You're always commenting on heavy people in one thread or another.>> You're quick, Nikki ... can't put one past you Yes, I do. Want to know why? Of course you do or you wouldn't have brought it up. Obesity is a national health crisis in this country. It's costing us billions of dollar, but more importantly millions and millions of lives that are cut short before their time. And you want to know what's worse ... what's so pathetic about it? I'll tell you ... It's the fact that it's become politically incorrect to even discuss obesity and morbid obesity ... it's wrong to suggest that those people are either weak and/or mentally ill ... that they are addicted to food like some people are addicted to crack or Jack Daniels or anonymous sex. How many more Fat Is Beautiful talk shows are we going to have? Because fat most defnitely isn't beautiful (OK, that's an opinion). Fat isn't healthy (that's a fact). I have an uncle who is over 400 pounds. He'll die soon. It's a given. A question of when, not if. He knows it, but won't do anything about it. I find that awfully sad ... we've thought about declaring him mentally incompetent and forced into a facility and/or surgery, but decided it is his life. And another member of my family died of similar causes. It's vicious and it isn't healthy ... and I'm tired of seeing people make excuses because it makes them feel better ... and if you don't think it's an epidemic Nikki, than you are visiting a place other than WDW when you decend on Central Florida because I've never seen such obesity anywhere (and I'm including cast too). So, that's why I tend to bring it up. Any other questions?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Yesterday five innocent Amish girls were shot because some jerk was getting revenge for something that happened to him when he was 12 YEARS OLD. I come here and you're complaining about the handicapped boarding a bus before you. Yes, I think it is sad that someone could make so much over NOTHING.>> Nikki, that horrific incident or even what's going on (or not, thanks to your prez) down in New Orleans don't have anything to do with the matter at hand. If you're saying it's not that important in the big picture, I agree 100%. But I'd also say the same of anything here on LP.com ... this isn't about kids coming home from Iraq without limbs due to a war our prez started ... this isn't about kids being born with HIV ... this isn't about the slaughter going on in Africa ...etc ... we're here talking about Disney. And in this case Disney transport and a system that isn't working ...
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>He'll die soon. It's a given. A question of when, not if.<<< And you can be as skinny as a rail or anything in between and, guess what, you're going to die too. A question of when, not if. >>>we've thought about declaring him mentally incompetent and forced into a facility and/or surgery, but decided it is his life.<<< And yet another thing to be thankful for, I'm not a member of your family! I can't even wrap my brain around that statement.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Plenty of discussion in World Events section - where it belongs - but if you cross over there, be prepared...much tougher crowd... but W/E is there to prevent 'leakage' over into other sections..
Originally Posted By jnemo Well this thread has been bothering me but now I do have to say something. I work with disabled and have several disabled in my family. In the copier room at work is a wonderful story that was printed in the San Francisco Chronicle. The story is about a man who happens to be in a wheelchair and how he met his wife, she is in a wheelchair also, online. She is from China and when he went to meet her they got married. They had come for a visit to the States and she was amazed at the accommodation that was made for them. She told a story about being unloaded from a plane in China and the waiting passengers had to wait for them. As they came off the plane the waiting passengers called them names like pig and said they should be ashamed of themselves for being out in the public. Is this what we in the States are going to be like also? I am sorry people took advantage of this situation but many who have posted in the thread have no clue what the life of a disabled person is. My hope for you all is you never have to be.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>>He'll die soon. It's a given. A question of when, not if.<<< <<And you can be as skinny as a rail or anything in between and, guess what, you're going to die too. A question of when, not if.>> True ... so why drink and drive? Why not dive off a bridge? Why not go to sleep with candles surrounding you? Why not abuse drugs? We're all going to die, right? So why TRY and live as long as possible by engaging in healthy behavior and a healthy lifestyle? Doesn't matter, right? >>>we've thought about declaring him mentally incompetent and forced into a facility and/or surgery, but decided it is his life.<<< <<And yet another thing to be thankful for, I'm not a member of your family! I can't even wrap my brain around that statement.>> First of all, you don't have all the details, which I have no intention of putting out here. Second, if my uncle was a heroin addict and we wanted to have him committed and force him to recover like many families do, would you have the same problem? I doubt it. Since he wants to eat himself to death with Big Macs, pizza, donuts, candy and anything else you can think of, it's somehow wrong to do likewise? get over yourself and your indignation. It's misplaced. Oh, and FYI, when people find out who my family is, they usually want to be a part of it!!!
Originally Posted By dlkozy SP74-spew your hateful attitude over at WE-sounds like most of us are tired of your tirade!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I am sorry people took advantage of this situation but many who have posted in the thread have no clue what the life of a disabled person is.>> I can put in just about any other word to replace "disabled" and make an argument out of it too. I have no clue about what it's like to be a woman. I have no cluse what it's like to be a white person. I have no clue about what it means to be a soldier. But I can still have some opinions about abortion, equality, and war. I don't think most people are intentionally trying to be unaccommodating towards disabled people, and I think a lot of this misunderstanding is because it has been drummed into our heads that disabled people just wanted to be treated "normally." Do we accommodate, or give preference? That's what it boils down to... I think.
Originally Posted By beamerdog >> Do we accommodate, or give preference? That's what it boils down to... I think.<< Now, this is a very interesting point - and well taken. Are we accomodating by giving preference? My experience has been that only in certain instances accomodation is *only* able to be achieved by giving preference. ONLY in certain instances. The problem is that each handicapped individual needs varying levels of accomodation. And how does a corporation the size of Disney develop a policy for such a diverse population? To inform, in the real world preference is not usually the form accomodation takes. Substandard seating is the norm. Long waits are standard. I've actually been denied access to restaurants and stores. Disney is unique in this respect and probably why it attracts many families who include handicapped individuals. The backlash has only occurred in recent times with the proliferation of wheelchair/ecv abuse. I'm clueless as to a serious solution to this other than restrictions placed on rentals which could also cause a major uprising. *sigh*
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>First of all, you don't have all the details, which I have no intention of putting out here.<<< If you don't have the ability to explain why you would take such drastic action then don't use it as an example. It really makes you sound shallow and self-absorbed. >>>So why TRY and live as long as possible by engaging in healthy behavior and a healthy lifestyle? Doesn't matter, right?<<< I can't be sure but that certainly sounds like a statement made by a person that has never had a weight problem. It is easy to be judgemental when one's metabolism works for them instead of against them. Just let everyone live their own lives and you live yours. The number of people that you are referring to that are inconveniencing others because of their weight is way fewer then you attempt to preach to us about. As Redd Foxx once said, "all you health fanatics are going to feel pretty silly laying in a hospital bed dying of nothing."
Originally Posted By BlazesOfFire I know in the parks, Disney has a policy of letting only 5 other family members board with the wheelchair bound person. I did a bunch of research before my friend and I went to Disney, because her son is in a wheelchair and I have never been to Disney with someone who is wheelchair bound., I checked to see all the attractions available to him that he can ride without getting out of the chair, which ones he would have to trnasfer out of, etc. I also read on the disney website that only 5 others were allowed to go with him, and they enforced this when were there. When we asked to use the handicap accessible access, several times we were directed to the right entrance with warning that only 5 others could go. Luckily there was, so our party could stay together. Should wheelchairs be able to get in front of the people on the bus? Absolutely...but they should enforce how many people could go with them there too.
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Originally Posted By disneydad109 I also feel that there will be no comments worth reading on this line of talk . so BY BY and I hope you find your happy place.
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Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Wow, that pretty much sums it up, doesn't it. No problem seeing who is stable in this conversation. Please keep your promise and don't post anymore your personality is showing. Sounds like someone needs a Prozac.
