Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "he also got us out of Iraq" On the Bush timeline. "is winding down the war in Afghanistan" We should be out today. "put an end to discriminatory policies like Don't Ask, Don't Tell." This is where we get the warm fuzzies. Meanwhile he passes the NDAA which essentially allows him to indefinitely detain American citizens, but he pinky swears he won't use it. Glad we have some judges in this country with their heads on straight: <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/18/local/la-me-gs-national-defense-authorization-ruling-20120518" target="_blank">http://articles.latimes.com/20...20120518</a> Oh, and he loves his little drone program: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/Y7YT7.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/Y7YT7.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones Oh, and this gem. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05...nted=all</a> "It is also because Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent." How can any progressive vote for him?
Originally Posted By dshyates "How can any progressive vote for him?" He's not a Republican. That simple. The Republican parties goals are evil to the core and we should all stand against them.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "He's not who you think he is." Gee golly Spokker Jones, who is he then? Huh?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It's interesting that all the things Spokker criticizes Obama for are things that would be worse under Romney. Romney is saber-rattling on Iran (which to his credit Obama has been trying to calm), which is 3 times the size of Iraq and would be a disaster. Romney criticizes Obama for being "weak" on terrorism, which means he certainly wouldn't eschew any of the methods Spokker criticizes, and may well enhance them just to be "tough." Assuming Spokker is serious and not just condescending about getting the warm fuzzies about the end of DADT... Romney has said he favored continuing it.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<Meanwhile he passes the NDAA...loves his little drone program >> True - not things that I'm very happy about. But, do you think that Romney is about to repeal that law, or stop the drone program? As everyone here has sad, Obama's presidency so far hasn't been perfect, but it is FAR from a disastor.
Originally Posted By ecdc Given the racist comments spokker made on another thread, it's starting to make a lot of sense why he supports Ron Paul so much. Tangling with a Paulinista is like tangling with a Truther: They are true believers, you will get nowhere.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "It's interesting that all the things Spokker criticizes Obama for are things that would be worse under Romney." Actually, things would be better under McCain because you would have liberals screaming from the rooftops about his abuse of civil liberties. I'm not voting for Romney. I'm voting for Gary Johnson.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "Assuming Spokker is serious and not just condescending about getting the warm fuzzies" I am being condescending there. The social issues are a hell of a lot less important than the economy, jobs and our continued involvement in the Middle East.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "Given the racist comments spokker made on another thread, it's starting to make a lot of sense why he supports Ron Paul so much." Yawn.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 << The social issues are a hell of a lot less important than the economy, jobs and our continued involvement in the Middle East.>> Just because there are more serious issues to attend to doesn't mean the president shouldn't be applauded for fighting injustice when he can. Yes, ending a war is far more important than allowing gays to serve openly in the military, or supporting gay marriage - but that doesn't mean we should just ignore the good that addressing those social issues does. And frankly, I think any cases of inequality and injustice towards Americans are important to consider and stop. We claim to be a model for the world when it comes to "liberty and justice for all" - the president Gould be applauded for helping to extend that liberty and justice to more people.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "Actually, things would be better under McCain because you would have liberals screaming from the rooftops about his abuse of civil liberties." Yeah--so? That didn't make Bush end any of the practices. So yeah, it's worse if the policies are worse. "I am being condescending there. " It figures. Also, what plotters said.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I'm not voting for Romney. I'm voting for Gary Johnson. << I'm curious what you think about Rocky. <a href="http://www.voterocky.org/" target="_blank">http://www.voterocky.org/</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc I'm curious what you think about Rocky.<< I thought, why vote for Rocky when he's just going to lose? Then I realized Obama sure won't carry Utah. Maybe I will vote for Rocky. I actually became friends with him way back in the day on Facebook, before any Presidential run. He'll post there that they need old furniture donated for their office. Something tells me not a lot of corporate cash is influencing that campaign....
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Why anyone is taking Spokker Jones seriously is beyond me. It's like giving credeence to Orly Taitz or Sheriff Joe Arpaio. I give Donny more credit, and well, I don't give Donny any credit.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "I'm curious what you think about Rocky. <a href="http://www.voterocky.org/" target="_blank">http://www.voterocky.org/</a>" I took a brief glance at his solutions page and I'd say I agree with 75% of what he says. The thing I disagree with most is raising the minimum wage to $10/hour. Everything else I can either agree with, partially agree with or work with.
Originally Posted By Vic Sage Is this Democrat right that the Obama campaign is unworthy? <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/georges-ugeux/the-obama-campaign-is-unw_b_1690930.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...930.html</a>
