Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub This will be very sad for many families . Is this going into effect this holiday season or just being considered for next year?
Originally Posted By mickeymorris1234 considered for next year, however what do you think will happen. For Disney it is a win win, more money and less staff for crowd control
Originally Posted By tashajilek It really makes sense for Disney to be charging for a special xmas event if halloween is a success. I am an out of Country aper and would rather pay more money than being crammed like a sardine. If a family is coming half way across the world and spending big bucks im sure they wont mind paying a bit extra for a better experience.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>it doesn't address the issue of APers<< If APers were really an issue, Disney could simply block out certain dates or cut back on the amount of APs they sell. Every year the topic of how APs are too abundant comes up, along with predictions that Disney will somehow scale back the program. Instead, over the years, they have done everything possible to expand it. Were this new pay-extra-for-fireworks plan to happen, it wouldn't be because there are too many APs. It would be because Disney discovered a new revenue source. I'll believe Disney views the 1 million APers as a "problem" when they stop promoting the program, or start actively making efforts to scale it back. Thus far, zero evidence that they ever intend to do so.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Oh, and i would think that the SoCal APs would be the first to go. If there is a problem with too many APers (there isn't) it would stand to reason that the lower priced SoCal AP would be the culprit, as those are designed for locals who are more likely to be frequent visitors. So when we see that program eliminated, I'll believe that Disney views the AP program as a problem. Selling a million APs plus charging an extra premium price for an evening party is called having one's cake and eating it, too. I'd bet that many of the folks buying those hard tickets are already APers -- hardcore Disney fans, D23 members, you name it.
Originally Posted By onlyme I agree, Kar2oonMan. Why does this topic instantly go into the "entitled APer" route? It's quite obvious that if Disney considered APs to be a problem, they'd scale back, but they haven't. What about the families who save for months in order to get to DL during the holidays, and now must pay extra just to see a parade and fireworks show. Some/many won't be able to pay the extra. No,,,this has NOTHING to do with APs and everything to do with finding that extra revenue. But, Disney can do whatever it wants. However, it'll be a shame if this turns out to be true.
Originally Posted By tashajilek " I'd bet that many of the folks buying those hard tickets are already APers -- hardcore Disney fans, D23 members, you name it." Yupp, makes sense all the people who know the information are first to buy.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Why does this topic instantly go into the "entitled APer" route?<< It's been a running theme with Al for many years, that too many APs ruin the soup. And every year at some point, an article of this sort comes up. And every year Disney goes on promoting and selling an ever increasing number of APs. From Disney's perspective, you know what the "AP problem" probably is? That there aren't a billion of 'em. ; )
Originally Posted By lesmisfan im more worried about the extinction of the holiday party for cast members. This is why putting one team for both resorts is a horrible idea! these are two different resorts and should not be managed the same way.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I mean, how have they made it more difficult to get an AP? By raising the price? No, they raise it to the level that people are willing to pay, and even in a deep recession, raising ticket prices has never stopped. And then they instituted a program to make monthly payments rather than have to come up with it all at once. Yeah, sounds like it's a real problem. 9 9 _
Originally Posted By onlyme >>It's been a running theme with Al for many years, that too many APs ruin the soup. And every year at some point, an article of this sort comes up<< ...and every week, one LP topic turns into an AP hate-fest. As you stated above, each year it gets easier to purchase one. But people still think Disney sees APs as a problem (cue: confused look). But, I stopped renewing and haven't been to DL in a record-setting six months. So, keep the hate, people...
Originally Posted By onlyme BTW...excuse my ignorance, but hasn't WDW had this after hours party going on for years? So, I guess it's successful there, so it'll probably be very successful here, as well.
Originally Posted By lesmisfan its successful there yes but they have a different market then disneyland out there. out here there are mainly locals and those locals with APs were disney world is mainly tourists from everywhere with a little AP following plus there resort is twice has huge as disneylands with more holidy offerings. plus most people go to disney world for a good week or more were at disneyland they stay for a good few days.
Originally Posted By Ohana You're all missing the obvious solution here... The third gate in Anaheim. HalloChristmasland!!
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Yeah, sounds like it's a real problem." It is a problem. A problem of overcrowding, which isn't sustainable. At some point people will tire of it and stop coming. That's the reason why Halloween (and apparently now Christmas) are being dealt with the way that they are. In the case of Halloween the problem has been solved by having hard ticket events.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance ^^^ When I start getting like this, it's best for everyone if I just go to bed
