Originally Posted By RoadTrip I have no problem with "elitist snobs" if they have actually approached a station in life where they deserve to be that. Queen of England... I have no problem with her being an elitist snob. Unfortunately, I have the disquieting feeling that many of the "elitist snobs" on LP are one paycheck away from being a Wal-Mart lowlife.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Very good points in this thread HOWEVER Lee Mac is very wrong about Disneyland and Mr. Baxter. Disneyland will be recieving an exciting new e-ticket very soon (Star Tours) and as long as Lasseter is around new projects will be greenlit for the park down the road.>> And who do you think it behind Star Tour II? It is a film product and therefore rests entirely with Tom Fitzgerald and TPP. Baxter can play with the queue area but that is where his creative influence stops. And Lasseter has NO budgetary approval capabilities for any of the parks - he can't push it through without board approval. If he has so much influence then how come it is 3 1/2 years since he came onboard at WDI and we have not a single significant attraction at DL to show for it? Not even groundbreaking has happened on anything. Lasseter loves DL but he is happiest keeping Pixar and Feature Animation going.
Originally Posted By sjhym33 Obviously there will always be a difference of opinion on the quality of a WDW experience. I dont really expect things to get better in terms of the overall quality. As more and more people who knew Walt retire or pass away you continally get a diluted version of the original ideas and things that made Disney great. Once in a while you get a great addition (I love Soarin) but consider that Soarin was probably the only great thing to come out of DCA...an entirely new theme park. The reality is that there are many companies that can build Disney type attractions and do it well. I would say Univeral and Sea World have experiences that are as good and as immersive as Disney. It has always been the extras that made Disney special. Disney needs to stop looking like its competitors and look a lot more like Disney.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>I have no problem with "elitist snobs" if they have actually approached a station in life where they deserve to be that. Queen of England... I have no problem with her being an elitist snob. Unfortunately, I have the disquieting feeling that many of the "elitist snobs" on LP are one paycheck away from being a Wal-Mart lowlife.<<< Class has absolutely nothing to do with money, it is all in the ethos. I have been wealthy and I have been poor. But I have always been me with uncompromised standards.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>The reality is that there are many companies that can build Disney type attractions and do it well. I would say Univeral and Sea World have experiences that are as good and as immersive as Disney. It has always been the extras that made Disney special. Disney needs to stop looking like its competitors and look a lot more like Disney.<<< Spot on, it's not just at WDW, but all Disney parks. It just feels like the MK is suffering the worst.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Class has absolutely nothing to do with money, it is all in the ethos. I have been wealthy and I have been poor. But I have always been me with uncompromised standards.>> You see Dave, having uncompromised standards is a whole different thing than being an elitist snob. I hate seeing people here start wearing "elitist snob" as some kind of badge of honor because it is really rather reprehensible behavior. ELITIST <<Main Entry: elit·ism Pronunciation: \ā-ˈlē-ˌti-zəm, i-, ē-\ Function: noun Date: 1947 1: leadership or rule by an elite2: the selectivity of the elite ; especially : snobbery <elitism in choosing new members>3: consciousness of being or belonging to an elite — elit·ist \-ˈlē-tist\ noun or adjective>> SNOB <<Main Entry: snob Pronunciation: \ˈsnäb\ Function: noun Etymology: origin unknown Date: 1781 1British : cobbler2: one who blatantly imitates, fawningly admires, or vulgarly seeks association with those regarded as social superiors3 a: one who tends to rebuff, avoid, or ignore those regarded as inferior b: one who has an offensive air of superiority in matters of knowledge or taste>> Source: Definitions from webster.com Now do those definitions really fit with how you see yourself? I hope not. (Though shades of SNOB 3b: certainly show up in an occasional post.) ;-)
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo everyone, absolutely everyone has some for of snobbery or prejudice. It is a part of what makes people human. It may be musical preference, political views, taste in art. to refute that is likely to be denying the truth.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>1: leadership or rule by an elite2: the selectivity of the elite<<< I do agree with this, I am a big fan of meritocracy. I want the best of the best to be our leaders. And I want to be the best of the best. Therefore I am elitist in that respect. I strive for perfection, even when it may be unachievable as an end goal. And that is what Walt did to. And he couldn't always do it, then he would put latin labels on weeds, trying to at least step it up.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>one who has an offensive air of superiority in matters of knowledge or taste<<< Yep I do, and so do most people if they are honest about it. Whether it is someone dissing Paris Hilton, or don't like Nascar, or thinks Opera is too pretentious. All could be described as snobbery.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 I'll admit to always seeing myself as an elitist snob. But after reading RoadTrip definitions, I may change my mind, that doesn't make it sound very admirable. I;ll have to drab out the thesaurus and find a better title for me. Please no suggestions wanted from anyone who doesn't like me.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 that would be "drag out" Obviously my ability to read what I actually wrote is not perfect.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Me too kindred spirit, I know I am not perfect, but I would like to be (just like Mary Poppins).
Originally Posted By RoadTrip The French have a PERFECT WORD (They always do): connoisseur. Much better than elitist snob, don't you think? Dave... it is probably a definitional thing, but I strongly reject the belief that EVERYONE is a snob. When it comes to matters of personal taste I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion. My tastes may run more to Calder and Kandinsky, but I'm certainly not going to dump on someone who prefers Thomas Kincaid. It's probably really nice being able to collect your favorite artist on stationery and quilts... ;-)
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo But do you like and appreciate graffitti as an art form, or abhore it?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I sometimes like the content... I don't like the fact that it is painted illegally and defaces property. Put it on a canvas and I'd be fine with some of it.
