Originally Posted By RoadTrip One fatal accident in 38 years and all of a sudden the monorails are falling apart? Man, you guys are TOUGH!! Guess if folks are scared they can always ride the buses. ;-)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 most rode planes to get there - the airlines wish their record was anywhere near the monorails... it's a horrible accident and I hope they can determine exactly what happened to avoid a repeat..
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>And when it comes to Crown Jewels apparently nothing comes close to Tokyo Disney Resort.<< Yes, that is pretty much correct, but sdaly, many of you will never know how bad the MK really is.. versus TDR, in so many levels.. Anyways.. time to go back to my "chat". It's been an interesting read this topic. Thanks for the fun time.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Geez TDLFAN... don't desert me now. I've been looking forward to a TDLFAN response ever since I read "It is time to share WDW with the grandkids. Which resort is best for two year olds?" I've been looking forward to your saying that two-year-olds have absolutely no freaking business in the parks. I've been looking forward to you asking the 'breeders' what the hell they were thinking of when they brought their devil's spawn to the Magic Kingdom. Instead you just slink off into the night. What the heck is wrong with you TDLFAN? We never agreed with each other but you were my hero just the same. (The shorts and sunglasses made you a Disney Icon.) So where have you gone my man? Come back. LP needs you. Every bulletin board needs its beloved curmudgeon and you were ours. Love you man.
Originally Posted By ImaginingDisney001 >>>> Walt really was not that interested in the MK once he got started. By pretty much all accounts, he was obsessed with Epcot. Yes, in the early stages he was interested in the park, from his meetings in St Louis which was the original site considered, to the field tests at the 64 World's fair. <<<< It is difficult to determine Walts level of concern about the Magic Kingdom since he passed before the park started construction. Walt ALWAYS was involved with any construction in his projects. He was involved with WDW up to the time he passed. He did not have to play a lot of time into the Magic Kingdom because he already had a blue print in DisneyLand. The only difference was it was built a lot bigger. Epcot was A dream of Walts but the surviving managagement never understood it. EpcotCenter and World showcase were supposed to be separate parks, but they had design troubles until they put them both together. The combination made for a good design but it was nothing like Walts dream. Celebration was the last attempt to build into Walts dream, but it fell apart not long afterwards. Disney sold off Celebration to get rid of the problems. Walts Epcot is not the EpcotCenter we know today because the Disney Company could not realize Walts dream and feared legal complications. >>>> In the Disney Company's defense, they have an awful lot of possessions that they need to "polish up". I agree more attention and care needs to be done with WDW especially now since this fatal monorail accident. But lets face it Disney is now a multi-faceted company with theme parks, cruise ships, an Island in the Bahamas, property in Hawaii, California, France..... its pretty big and they have an awful lot on their plate. <<<<< The Disney Company "TIES" are nothing more than dressed up BEAN COUNTERS. They look at the $ and how they can get more. The Eisner group OVERBUILT the company, rosorts in a big way. In the same breath, they were downsizing the personell in all departments. And a huge no no, they were taking money from the divisions, which are supposed to be self dependant, and spending on more projects. It is my opinion that these divisions are all undermanned and that has been so evident, for the last 15 years, in the falling quality, care and operation of the parks. No one can say they have not walked down mainstreet and saw peeling paint, rusted metal, etc. The white paint is peeling off the monorails. Decorative roof lights are burnt out. All this would not happen in Walts time because he knew that all added to the Guest experience. 20,000 Leagues, a submarine ride that was 15 years NEWER than the subs at Disney land, was cut because of maintenance costs. The "Ties" hated Journey TO Imagination, the number 1 attraction at Epcot Center. They changed it, The change eliminated DreamMaker and Figment. The rating fell down and got huge complaints. They tried to restore Figment but did not help the ride as the guests wanted to see Dream Maker too. Eisner was the opposite of Walts thinking. Walt would spend money to make the attraction and experience the best. Eisner felt Walt spent too much money on the attractions so most of his attractions were built on the cheap. Eisner also took creative control from WED, tieing their hands by giving them a department ( bean counter ) to answer to before they could create. Last rant, Alien Encounter was a cool attraction, the sound was cool the seats, the sound of the Alien running behind you and breathing warm, moist air down the back of your neck...... How great that was. Now, they replaced it with Stitch, and it no way compares to what was there. If you look the parks are going two ways, they are loading it with kiddie shows and now, thrill rides. The additional Themed attractions that Walt for guest appreciation, are all gone. The Disney we see today, and you know you have seen it over the years, is not the Disney that Walt built. I have seen the changes through out the resort, campground and attractions. There is a decline in guest service and the attractions are not built with the attention that Walt demanded. The younger guests are not seeing all the changes because they are growing with the cheap version, poor guest relations and limited personel. We, who have been attending the park since it opened, know the difference and it is a shame that we are paying more for less. Last thought, Walts parks are amazing, even in todays envirionment with the overbearing "Bean Counters" wearing the "TIES". THere will never be another Walt Disney, nor will his dream ever be repeated. His parks, not the " BEAN COUNTERS ", will be the best as long as Walts memory is in the cast members minds and the guests. as the "TIES" slowly chip away at Walts original ideas and dreams, they will slowly evolve to a different park. With Walt unable to oversee his creations, change is eminant, and, as we have seen, has not been in the best interest for the parks. Think about it and you may see the evolution. It is inevitable. ID
Originally Posted By MPierce >>> TDLFAN Mon 7/6/2009 10:55p >>And when it comes to Crown Jewels apparently nothing comes close to Tokyo Disney Resort.<< Yes, that is pretty much correct, but sdaly, many of you will never know how bad the MK really is.. versus TDR, in so many levels.. Anyways.. time to go back to my "chat". It's been an interesting read this topic. Thanks for the fun time. <<< He comes like a gentle autumn breeze to kiss the leaves of a mighty oak then departs as if he were never here.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 ^^^But at least we know he's still around and sometimes checking on us.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Eisner was the opposite of Walts thinking. Walt would spend money to make the attraction and experience the best. Eisner felt Walt spent too much money on the attractions so most of his attractions were built on the cheap.>> I disagree. In the early years Eisner was the absolute best friend the parks had. The Studios, the Animal Kingdom, and Splash Mountain, the last E ticket added to the MK, were all done under Eisner's watch. But I know how it goes... it's just so much FUN to hate Eisner...
Originally Posted By ImaginingDisney001 >>>>But I know how it goes... it's just so much FUN to hate Eisner...<<<<< Not so. The parks were built in order to make the resort grow. Eisner had plans but they were not Walts. Eisner took Walts ideas out, labeled tham as a waste of money. and filled the parks with carts, cheap stores. What took the cake was when they filled the store with the same identical merchandise. how boring. used to be able to go to different stores and find new treasures, now, its all the same. Disneys growth and Eisners influence is documented. You really should read about it before you take sides. ID
Originally Posted By ImaginingDisney001 Wish I knew how to edit this site Not so to having fun to HATE Eisner. He just did not prove out, and now He's out. ID
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones TDLFAN may be a jerk but he's right about Tokyo Disney. The upkeep is just incredible, when stuff isn't flying off of parade floats...
Originally Posted By HMButler1979 So Splash, Star Tours, Indy, DLP, PI, MGM and DAK was a waste of money? Like Rasulo would really spend 3 BILLION like Eisner did on Paris.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> But the MK was more of Roy Disney's baby than Walt's. << <<Not arguing any of that with you Dave, and I think most fans know about Walt's obsession with E.P.C.O.T.. I'm only saying that the present day Walt Disney Corp. considers WDW, and the MK to be the Crown Jewel of the Disney Parks.>> Well, the Crown Jewel is tarnished (although I see signs of the magic ... everywhere ... tonight it just all came back to me in the eyes of a too-cute-for-words 7-year-old girl with her mom from South Dakota (yeah, folks actually live there ... it's West Dakota they stay out of) ... it was her first trip and I admit it, I pintraded with her (after a CM kinda screwed her a bit) ... and not really traded so much as just gave her a Snow White pin that I was carrying in my pocket (ask the sucky CM about it!) and she just lit up ... her and Mom wound up riding Maelstrom with us and then hanging out for a bit for my patented Spirit trip planning and it just brought home that people are what make WDW what it is ... (and sadly what it often isn't). But I've been in a funk since the monorail incident (well, actually before that as I had a freaking disaster at home in the 72 hours prior to heading to The Timeshare Kingdom of the World) and I got some faith back today ... it's hard to put it in words at 2:27 a.m. after a very unusual for me commando-style day (two parks, 13 hours with a lunch/rain break). Anyway, WDW will never be DL, but I'd just like it to resemble the WDW of the 1980s and 90s ... I can settle for that! <<That is with the exception of John Lasseter.>> He should be very happy as UP is all over what was FAF studio ... really done well, even the character meet and greet ... and all over the Studio Shop across the way. But what I wouldn't give to spend a week with him touring WDW with no vests and, certainly, no freaking publicist hanging around. He needs to see things and with UP looking to be behind only Nemo and Lion King all time in Disney/Pixar animation, one might think his stock is at an all-time high.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<He comes like a gentle autumn breeze to kiss the leaves of a mighty oak then departs as if he were never here.>> Have you been reading poetry again? <<^^^But at least we know he's still around and sometimes checking on us.>> I may have, kinda, sorta told him about this thread when we met Monday! <<I feel such an emptiness without his words of wisdom to cling to.>> You are such a fair weather minion! You BELONG TO ME!!! Don't ever forget that! FWIW, I told him how much he is missed here, but he feels much better just contributing to one site. I respect that ... I've often tried to spread my wisdom around and I think I'm diluting what little quality there is. ;-) That's why this thread is here ... and not on other magical sites!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<TDLFAN may be a jerk but he's right about Tokyo Disney.>> TDLFAN may be many things, but a jerk isn't one of them. I'm proud to call the man a friend. And while even I have sometimes cringed at what he has written, I respect him to death for being consistent and fair. And no one that I know online (perhaps Leemac, but I am doubting it) has as much day-today knowledge of Disney parks around the globe for the past 20 years. It's just incredible what a wealth of Disney info is in that dude's head!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Like Rasulo would really spend 3 BILLION like Eisner did on Paris.>> No. He'll spend multiples of it between DCL, DCA, HKDL, DLP (maybe even a tiny bit for WDW) and soon ... Shanghai DL! But not 'cause he wants to. He wants to spend money like a vegan wants to dine at a steakhouse!
Originally Posted By Disneymom443 I love your story about the little girl. You made her so happy, isn't it great to know that you made a magical moment for her. She'll never forget your kind spirited heart.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 ^^It's called Spirited Pixie Dust. So TDL was at WDW? What did he think?
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Well, the Crown Jewel is tarnished (although I see signs of the magic ... everywhere ... tonight it just all came back to me in the eyes of a too-cute-for-words 7-year-old girl with her mom from South Dakota (yeah, folks actually live there ... it's West Dakota they stay out of) << I absolutely love South Dakota. >> ... it was her first trip and I admit it, I pintraded with her (after a CM kinda screwed her a bit) ... and not really traded so much as just gave her a Snow White pin that I was carrying in my pocket (ask the sucky CM about it!) << We all know that Snow White reminds you of the witch, and you're still traumatized from your youth by her. You were just looking to unload that pin weren't you. >> Have you been reading poetry again? << I get that way everytime I read anything by George MacKay Brown. >> You are such a fair weather minion! You BELONG TO ME!!! Don't ever forget that! << I know. I was just trying to appeal to TDLFAN's vanity. >> And no one that I know online (perhaps Leemac, but I am doubting it) has as much day-today knowledge of Disney parks around the globe for the past 20 years. It's just incredible what a wealth of Disney info is in that dude's head! << Most definetly, plus his willingness to do indepth threads, and post about them, plus his pictures
