Originally Posted By leobloom I would be curious to know if anyone has ever seen anything similar at Tower of Terror, where it seems the same thing could be done -- skip the library preshow and just load straight to the boiler room queue. I've never seen Mansion without the stretch room. Bad show, no question.
Originally Posted By Manfried The Imagineers ought to go into the electronics of the HM and hard wire it so that they cannot open both doors at once unless it is an emergency. This is just such bad show. It clearly shows that WDW operations management is out of touch with what makes a good show.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Perhaps if DL and WDW were ever bought by a third party, some sort of contract would exist, but I doubt it.<<< Is it bad that I want that to happen and terribly so?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>The Imagineers ought to go into the electronics of the HM and hard wire it so that they cannot open both doors at once unless it is an emergency. This is just such bad show. It clearly shows that WDW operations management is out of touch with what makes a good show.<<< YES. This, exactly.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<The Imagineers ought to go into the electronics of the HM and hard wire it so that they cannot open both doors at once unless it is an emergency. This is just such bad show. It clearly shows that WDW operations management is out of touch with what makes a good show.>> There are too many things in a theme park that counts as an "emergency" for that. They do that and they end up getting sued for something stupid.
Originally Posted By DlandDug I have not experienced the MK HM that many times, but I have seen this grievous situation. I assumed (silly me) that there was some technical problem with the Stretching Rooms, and rather than go 101 they simply opened them up. Bad show-- but preferable to not opening at all. If this is being done for capacity, it's stupid.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I assumed (silly me) that there was some technical problem with the Stretching Rooms, and rather than go 101 they simply opened them up. Bad show-- but preferable to not opening at all. >>> It used to be that something much smaller than that would cause a ride to go 101. I think it is better to keep a ride shut while an important aspect of the show is repaired rather than keep it operating just to keep people going through it.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip That must occur only at peak times. I've never seen it happen, but then I always go to WDW in January or February.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros While DL can't leave the doors on both sides of the stretching rooms open at the same time, that sure doesn't stop them from cramming the hallway full of guests. It seems like the majority of the year is fine, but it is consistantly an issue when they're doing the HMH overlay. It seems like every time I get out of the stretching room, the hallway is backed up with other guests waiting to get onto the attraction. I've even seen it a couple times where it's so crowded that the first stretching room doesn't have time to unload before the doors to the second open up. It doesn't help that they're filling each room up to capacity (to help deal with the long lines outside), but it really does seem a little rediculous to listen to the narration 2-3 times before loading, and it's just not fun to stand in those kinds of crowds ever.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Seems like they are still figuring out guest pattern/flow with the removal of FP then the new Q construction and now the cramped crowding just before the main entry. I noticed the HM castmember is very strict about guest entry and has no problem shutting THAT door(the first door actually encountered after the walk thru Queue.) So that door offers the only slowdown in guest movement. As soon as we all walk forward the next door opening has already occurred and it is just non-stop walk-thru. It does change the atmosphere but the cramped crowding at the end of the outdoor Q is a problem they did not foresee. It feels like a dead end and creates no airflow and is extremely hot especially when they keep telling us to move forward and leave no room for ghosts in front or behind. I actually got claustrophic and went thru the first exit and had fun ringing the bells for the servants I assume!
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub You are right FerretA, I have experienced that crowding at DL HM also. I actually think it is not safe and is creating a potential hazard. It can be scary if you have little ones too I would think...
Originally Posted By 3disneylocations <<That must occur only at peak times. I've never seen it happen, but then I always go to WDW in January or February.>> exactly. I've only seen the parlor seen being loaded halfway through the show once (with a heavy "tisk-tisk" from me, only to be countered by a "Sir" and a sigh. But I have never seen the streching rooms opened before the end of the show.
Originally Posted By danyoung >It's not a CMs fault. They can't make that decision. They were told to do it.< I'm not sure that's entirely true (unless you as a CM have some knowledge that I don't). I can see the CMs thinking they're helping things by keeping the doors open. In fact, it makes more sense that this is happening than the idea that someone higher up is making such a bone-headed decision.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<This is just such bad show. It clearly shows that WDW operations management is out of touch with what makes a good show.>> You think? Perhaps, I should offer a management level seminar for all CMs at the WDW parks on getting the basics right?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I'm not sure that's entirely true (unless you as a CM have some knowledge that I don't). I can see the CMs thinking they're helping things by keeping the doors open. In fact, it makes more sense that this is happening than the idea that someone higher up is making such a bone-headed decision.>> I was a CM in the area. A CM cannot make a decision like that. And if they did they'd be in big trouble. Managers only care about the show when a CM makes a brain fart and they get to yell at said CM. And coming from that area, this is totally a manager decision.
Originally Posted By TP2000 This has happened at WDW's Mansion multiple times to me over the years. I remember first noticing it on a trip in '99 for the Millenium, likely memorable because I was becoming aware of theme park geekdom via the Internet and that was when I first learned the WDW rooms were actually elevators. It's happened repeatedly since then, so it's not a rare instance. I don't know what they gain from that, maybe a staffing savings or something by not having to have a CM in that stretch room? Whatever the reason, it's extremely tacky and a perfect example of how they just do stuff ALL WRONG out there in Orlando. I mean really, at this point, sometimes I wonder why they even bother? Why not just shut the place down and sell the land to housing developers?
Originally Posted By danyoung >...it's extremely tacky and a perfect example of how they just do stuff ALL WRONG out there in Orlando. I mean really, at this point, sometimes I wonder why they even bother? Why not just shut the place down and sell the land to housing developers?< Sorry, but it's this type of hyperbole that doesn't help anything. Yes, this is a bad example of WDW management making a poor decision. But does that negate all of the things that they do right? Just a few years ago we were all raving when they put the Esher staircase and the new attic in. And more recently the new queue and ending debuted to mixed reviews, but at least they were trying. I have such a great time at WDW - yes, even at the Magic Kingdom! There's a lot of fun to be had there, but there are a few dumb things that they need to do better.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper You have FUN at the Magic Kingdom? Blasphemy!!! (I think the only "bad" visit I ever had to the MK...or WDW for that matter...was a New Year's Eve in the Kingdom when I should have known better. Do I sometimes see things that make me cringe a little? Yes. Does it ruin my trip? No.)
Originally Posted By danyoung While there are plenty of dumb things that Disney management does that deserves bashing, sometime sites like this just give into bashing for bashing's sake alone, and it tends to fire me up!
