Originally Posted By fkurucz I wonder if this an east vs. west coast thing. While they are not angels, I don't seem to recall behavior like this in Anaheim.
Originally Posted By LadyandtheTramp "CBJ is great for them they have been there a thousand times but for those that are making their first trip it is impossible to hear the words with the clapping, stomping and signing along." I thought you were encouraged to clap, stomp and sing along at CBJ?
Originally Posted By MrToadWildRider As much as I hate to sound xenophobic or "intolerant" I think the reason a lot of this behavior occurs in WDW more than DL is European visitors. There are plenty of Americans that do this too but I often find myself hearing French in deep French accents or some form of other European languages (German is another big one) and I think it has to do with either "I don't understand what the pre-show is saying so I don't care" or "My family doesn't know what they're saying so opposed to waiting to explain it to them once it's over I'll say it now" - I think the former is the case most of the time though as they appear to be conversations not translations. Please don't jump all over me for saying that but I can say in my personal experiences about 70% of the time talkers at WDW that I've heard were speaking foreign languages, mostly European sounding, in heavy accents so I don't think they were American. I'm not saying they don't I'm just saying I've experienced a lot of French and German sounding conversations during pre-shows through years of travel at WDW. Again, I think it probably has to do with the language barrier and pre-shows meaning literally nothing to them but that's still not an excuse. I only bring this up because of the above poster's comment regarding differences between WDW and DL with WDW being a much shorter and presumably cheaper flight from Europe compared to DL and thus more than likely bringing in more European guests. It's hard to try to compare this to say the Paris DL because they speak a variety of languages during pre-show as I've read and thus you don't get a solid language barrier (But would be interested to find out if there's more talking during certain parts of PDL pre-shows such as is it quieter or louder during the French pre-show segment than others or is it louder or quieter during English segments..etc) Again, I'm not saying this is a blanket statement but I do feel that some foreign individuals who don't understand what the Ghost Host or the GM Test Team are saying seem uncaring that others do and ruin the experience for all.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I wonder if this an east vs. west coast thing. While they are not angels, I don't seem to recall behavior like this in Anaheim.< I believe the average guest at DL has more 'Disney' background and appreciation than the average WDW guest. Of course there are exceptions, but on a daily basis more of DL is filled with local AP's --
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^A good point. Even for non AP Angelenos, DL is definitely part of their "experience". They grew up with it. I have also noticed that "outsiders" don't get it. They find it odd that we keep going back to that "place" which we should have "outgrown" a long time ago. I say this because my wife doesn't "get it". She likes DL just fine, but doesn't understand why the kids and I (all born anf partially raised in SoCal) just can't get enough DL. Heck, even my teenage daughters' friends in high school (in Colorado) find it odd that my daughters love DL so much. Their friends would rather go to Las Vegas.
Originally Posted By basas << wonder if this an east vs. west coast thing. While they are not angels, I don't seem to recall behavior like this in Anaheim.>> <<I believe the average guest at DL has more 'Disney' background and appreciation than the average WDW guest. Of course there are exceptions, but on a daily basis more of DL is filled with local AP's -- >> I actually didn't really notice much of a difference. At DL- people were yelling through the ToT pre-show, loud in HM's preshow, rude getting spots for F!, etc. Not that 'every' guest was bad, but i don't think it's as simple as 'East/West Coast'- there are a few bad guests everywhere.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Not saying here aren;t bad guests anywhere -- but attend DL off peak -- and you will find most of the attendees are local and have a different view of why they are there. Some goofs--sure, but not the % there is at WDW for whatever reason....
Originally Posted By SJHYM You want to see rude guests got to DLP. They push, cut in, ignore the queues, talk. Lots of fun
Originally Posted By MrToadWildRider ^^ I swear the French guests do that at WDW more than most- again I'm not just saying that but from my limited personal experience it's people who speak French (I don't know the language but I know enough of it that I can identify it) with French accents so I'd assume they are either from France or are French Canadiam who are quite pushy/cutty/talky Not saying no one else does it but considering the number of French speaking people who are guilty of the aforementioned offenses in comparison to others it's bad. I can only imagine DLP - but it'd be funny if it were Americans acting that way over there which sadly wouldn't surprise me.
Originally Posted By SJHYM Interestingly, I had heard all the horror stories about the French and their dislike of Americans but I found the French to be helpful, friendly and very nice. Only one frenchman was rude to me and that was a train conductor who had shut down his train for the morning only to find a lone American sitting on a darkened train outside DLP wondering why the train stopped several hundred feet outside the station and went dark. Needless to say he was unhappy. I dont know what he said, but I could tell from his tone it wasnt Welcome to Disneyland Paris.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I dont know what he said, but I could tell from his tone it wasnt Welcome to Disneyland Paris.< and it probably wasn't Thank you for saving our homeland either....but that is for another set of threads --LOL !
Originally Posted By SJHYM I had to chuckle because he was yelling at me in French. So being a good American I said...Sorry I dont speak French. So he yelled louder. So I mustered the only 3 words I do know. No Parle Vois Francais. He just looked exasperated and said...Sit. Then he walked away. A few moments later the train backed into the DLP train station (it was morning and I was heading into Paris), opened the door and then said...OUT. So I got out and he pulled the train out of the station. Of course there had been an announcement before the train left but it was in French. Later in the day I was in Paris and riding the trains there and all of a sudden I heard an announcement that sounded eerily like the one from the morning. SO I hopped off the train.
Originally Posted By MrToadWildRider Haha. I've only been to France once and I went with a pretty open mind despite hearing stories of French rudeness and I was unpleasantly surprised that it was largely true. There was a certain condescending attitude they had to my group (maybe it was cause we were high school kids but it went along with the stereotypical French rudeness) that they always seemed to look at us as their inferiors or ignorant. There were a few times in our relatively short visit (we were in the Paris area for 3 days - we split 3 days Paris 4 days in London) I personally had a view attempts to rip me off from merchants. I may not speak French but I can tell the difference between "10 Francs" and "50 Francs" thank you very much... But in WDW I've been cut in line on (atleast) three specific seperate incidents which I can remember where either a group or family of French people would either forcibly push up the middle of the line, try to duck the ropes to cut in front of us and then give us the "I don't speak English" story, or the trying to be suave sneak in front of you technique complete with that "What?" look. This has happened to me by Americans too don't get me wrong but it seems like a disproportionate number for the French :-\ Note those were three times where I can say for sure they were French in some way by the language - times where offenders don't say things I'm not going to assume anything, in fact I assume they're American due to it being in America. Three times (that I know of) doesn't seem like much but it is a relatively large % compared to how many fellow guests on any given day are French at a WDW park. The 3 is only cutting in lime btw that doesn't include the numerous times I've heard European languages being spoken very audibly (read very LOUDLY) during pre-shows or during actual shows either. Maybe this is just because I can't say "Those people are French" unless I hear them speak - and if they're speaking during most experiences on rides/attractions it's probably a bad situation, such as speaking during a pre-show, so it's more than likely unjust. I just thought I'd offer it up as an explaination of why WDW has more rudeness than DL someone mentioned earlier.
Originally Posted By basas <<But in WDW I've been cut in line on (atleast) three specific seperate incidents which I can remember where either a group or family of French people would either forcibly push up the middle of the line, try to duck the ropes to cut in front of us and then give us the "I don't speak English" story, or the trying to be suave sneak in front of you technique complete with that "What?" look.>> Interesting- I really haven't even noticed many French guests at WDW (British guests...that’s a different story ). I have been cut twice while waiting in line. One time, a teenager thought it would be funny to cut the standby line at RnRC...Fortunately, someone behind me starting yelling at him to get out. Second time, two PARENTS shoved their two kids underneath the queue-rope at the entrance to the barn in Splash Mountain's queue (we had already been waiting for at least 45 minutes outside). Before you knew it, the parents had disappeared. Now, us and the people around us weren’t very happy- but since the kids were small (6,7 years old?) we didn’t want to just send them out of line where they would become lost. For the most part though, guests have been pretty good about waiting their turn in line in my experiences.
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney By far the rudest guests I see at WDW are the most prevalent ---- Americans. After that, I'd say the worst offenders are from Brazil and from Hispanic countires (not Mexico) like So America and the islands. I just love when they do something rude and pretend they don't understand English, not realizing that I know Spanish.
Originally Posted By Kimrue ^ I disagree, I know Americans are rude too, but most of the rude people in WDW are European. The whole "I don't understand" garbage is getting ridiculous! Plus, the lot of them *hate* American's so that makes it worse. I remember being in the Animation tour a few years ago and this young American couple came in, they had various piercings and tatoos and mohawks etc., but quiet, respectful, not bothering anybody and this OBNOXIOUS French family started blurting out in extremely heavy accents.."disgusting! repulsive!" and POINTING AT THEM!!! Shaking their heads and wrinkling up their lip. Meanwhile they talked in FRENCH the ENTIRE TIME. The thing that makes some of the more rude European visitors any worse than any other rude visitors are...Not only are they rude, but they have the NERVE to act as if they can't stand being around all "these filthy American's" the entire time they are in WDW. Like we are *beneath* them...Um, if you don't like Americans, don't come to America...I hear there's a lot of them there!
Originally Posted By MrToadWildRider I'm not saying that it's always French people - in fact there are probably more instances I personally have encountered American rudeness - but as you said >> I really haven't even noticed many French guests at WDW << which is a reason why I think the few French guests that are there are probably acting rude. There haven't been as many incidents with French folks as Americans (United States) but it's close and given the volume of Americans compared to volume of French that's why I guess it seems like the French come off as ultra rude - there's rarely any nice Frenchmen to compare them too so maybe it's just the badapples are crossing the Atlantic. I don't think i've ever really had any problems with any Spanish speaking people and maybe one or two incidents with Brazilians (I read that dumb guest tricks site and was surprised to see how common this is and thought it funny after) where we'll be in lime behind 2 Brazilians and they're boarding in their rightful place and then they ask my party "How many?" and the two that just got in start pointing like 20 people deep at the queue loading area and start shouting "FRIEND! FRIEND!" and start waving them through. The CMs didn't let them through but it still held up the line for a few minutes in both situations. (They weren't identical but similar with pointing at people far behind them in line and to start shouting something like "FRIEND FRIEND") But I mean I don't even think about that. I think you're more likely to encounter rudeness on the whole with Americans though but I still think that the French in particular on average tend to be ruder. If you have 50 Americans and 5 French and 10 of the Americans are rude while all 5 of the Frenchmen are rude you're more likely to encounter rude Americans and there are 2x as many as the French but still only 20% of the Americans you encounter are rude while 100% of the French you meet are. That's obviously a very basic example but I thought maybe it'd illustrate what I'm saying. That's NOT to say that there aren't 45 Frenchmen in France who are the nicest people in the world but I'm just going by WDW. And again - that's not to say I haven't seen many French people acting curteous and polite it's just I wouldn't know it unless they spoke and unfortunately you can only hear individual people in WDW during pre-shows where it is quite rude :-\
Originally Posted By Kimrue I encountered a brazilian group *spitting* and shouting from the stairs looking down in the queue for splash mountain...DISGUSTING...I also saw a little spanish speaking boy spitting his gum at the seagulls near tomorrowland...But you're right, EVERYONE is guilty of rudeness, it's just different "brands" of rudeness I guess.
Originally Posted By fkurucz This is why I always prefer the low season. Its less crowded, often cooler. People seem much nicer under these conditions than when its hot and crowded.
