Originally Posted By bean Well there is always the possibility. well have to wait and see what will happen with Alladin and if the fantasylan theatre will be rebuilt once Princess fairytale ends its run December 2008 (or hopefully sooner)
Originally Posted By ni_teach > Is the NEMO show at Animal Kingdom a hit? If so, perhaps that could be a replacemnet? I like the aladin show a lot, but it will have to be replaced at some point of time. Nemo could work as the replacement (it is getting good reviews) However, I would personally love to see the Little mermaid show from TDS be the replacement.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains HOw about Beauty and the Beast - it's closing on broadway and would be great in DCA or DL
Originally Posted By Socrates Sorry to come to this late, but there is one point I'm having trouble understanding: What is wrong with Pixar? They've made some of the most enjoyable antimated movies I've ever seen. And aren't they located in California? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Originally Posted By FerretAfros While their movies are great and they are located in California, there is really nothing about them that is distinctly California. Sure, many of their movies could have been in CA, but they could have also been pretty much anywhere, which is part of thier appeal. Pixar's foundation is in California, but people around the world enjoy their films. I would personally prefer to see things in DCA that can only be found in California, as it has a lot to give. If there is one thing that I've learned in the last year living in California for the first time, the theme behind DCA is a great idea with plenty of potential, which is part of why it is so sad to me to see what the park is becoming. When there are still so many untapped concepts that are distinctly California, why should they include things that have a connection to CA, but aren't really unique to the state?
Originally Posted By 8 ilovemickey 8 I like the California Theme but maybe thats because it's my home and I can relate to it all. I never really understood why they didn't take a look at WDW to see what was working over there (well they did after with TOT) and bring some rides or concepts to DCA. DCA does have strong rides with TOT, Screamin, GRR, and Soarin at least. A strong ride over by the sun would help. Also, I think sometimes people get to freak out by the theme when in the end it all seems to blend. Like to me Buzz makes sense in Tomorrowland. While it may not be a perfect fit...it blends.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^Well, to be honest, I think the people who 'freaks out' about the theming issues are really us super nerd Disney dorks who post on sites like these . Seriously, my mother, who goes to DL as often as I do, could care LESS what the theme is in DL and she's been going since 3 years after the park officially opened. I think with DCA, the issue is still the same, in the end very few people care WHAT the theme is, they just want a fun theme park to go to, regardless what 'fits' and doesn't. The difference most people talk about DCA is that they created a park with such a SPECIFIC theme, but then avoids it. I mean it's themed to a STATE!!!! How more specific can it get?? And then, while there is easily a wide variety of things they can do WITHIN the theme, for the last 5 years they have completely avoided anything that has to do with California itself. It's very, very odd. Either they are saying, the theme is not interesting enough to hold it's own or there are no people there who can creatively come up with rides and shows to fit that theme. What other options could there be? Which ever one it is, it tells you it was a BIG mistake to create a theme you completely avoided from the first year on out. Sad.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Well, what's the point of going through the effort of creating a theme in the first place if it isn't going to be carried through? Some areas of DCA started out with some good potential(Grizzly Rapids and The Wharf) in terms of theming. What they are doing now is sprinkling the place down with nonsensical Pixar stuff that adds to the fun, but does nothing to carry forth the stories that reinforce the overall theme of the place. From what I can tell this isn't exclusive to DCA either. DL and the Magic Kingdom are both getting their share of movie-based attractions that have little or nothing to do with the immediate theme of the areas in which they are being placed. I'm so looking forward to the reopening of the Subs so that I can discover exactly what Nemo has to do with the future.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^^Right, but my point is the California theme was abandoned a LONG time ago. DL and MK are decades old now and honestly, it's MUCH easier to put the stuff they are TRYING to put in DCA in those parks. The theming in a lot of those area's of the MK and even Epcot can sustain it better. But DCA was forgotten once they realized no one was showing up. Hell, they shuttered Eureka Parade less than a year in and bought back the MSEP. All within a YEAR!!! Somebody was already saying the Califonia theme was dead when you kill a brand new parade about the history of California and bring in a 15+ year old parade that 'glowed away forever'. Why, because they knew that parade would get people to buy more DCA tickets and hence why half the park is looking like a Pixar-lite version of toontown than what the place was originally sold on when they built it.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt I am not so sure that the California theme was "abandoned", as you put it. Yes, they have added a handful of things that do not fit, but I would not say that the park no longer has anything to do with California. The vast majority of the place still has the same stuff that was there when it opened. But let's not argue about DCA any further. The point I am trying to make is that there are people in charge who have little regard for the artistic and stylistic value that has made Disney parks unique and a cut above other theme parks. Rather than spend the time, effort, and resources to develop original characters and themes suitable for the existing environments, characters and situations that have nothing to do with these areas are being shoehorned in. Unfortunately, this is happening at all Disney parks, not just DCA.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<I am not so sure that the California theme was "abandoned", as you put it. Yes, they have added a handful of things that do not fit, but I would not say that the park no longer has anything to do with California. The vast majority of the place still has the same stuff that was there when it opened. But let's not argue about DCA any further.>> LOL dude, are we going to go back and forth on THIS?? Listen, I know how you think about this subject and you obviously know how I think about it, but to me it's pretty obvious. They ABANDONED the theme a long, long time ago. I'll say it again, when you replace a NEW parade, that was all California based the FIRST year out with one that just screams DISNEY!!! that's abandoning it. When you have not added a SINGLE ride, show or concept that has anything to do with the 'history, culture or spirit' of California since 2001, but added more Pixar attractions, that's abandoing it. TOT is honestly the closes they got, but we all know the 'theme' is as superficial as you can get. Considering TDS threw the same ride in their 'New York' section of the park tells you how interchangable it is. When every rumor that comes out about this park still doesn't show a single attraction that hints at a true theme or idea in relation to California, what are we suppose to think? Once again, either A. The theme isn't strong enough to bring in audiences on it's own or we would have at least ONE attraction by now that dealt with San Francisco, Chinatown, the Mission, something! Or B. There is no one creative enough to come up with any good attractions based on California and the audience obvious rejection of it. A is probably the real answer as I refuse to believe B. But, it's just sad eitherway they given up on the theme the first year in, that's all. You have to remember DCA is a brand new park, the sky should be the limit of what they can do and how they can tell a story. It doesn't go through the same thing DL is given when they decide they want to add AA's on POTC or change an island to a different theme. I just wish they went all out and truly showed what a California themed park is suppose to be like or just change the freaking name on the marquee and be done while most people still doesn't have a clue what DCA is suppose to be about 6 years on. <<The point I am trying to make is that there are people in charge who have little regard for the artistic and stylistic value that has made Disney parks unique and a cut above other theme parks. Rather than spend the time, effort, and resources to develop original characters and themes suitable for the existing environments, characters and situations that have nothing to do with these areas are being shoehorned in. Unfortunately, this is happening at all Disney parks, not just DCA.>> Couldn't agree with you more. Fortunately, those same people weren't around when most of those other parks were being built, but they were RIGHT at the ground work when some genuis decided DCA, a park based on a state it's already in, was going to be the next cash cow of the century. They already BUILT a crappy park to begin with and I just don't want it to get worse that's all, but do LIKE what they have changed in the last few years (trying to show you I'm not a complete hater ).
Originally Posted By p-n-p06 >The theme isn't strong enough to bring in audiences on it's own or we would have at least ONE attraction by now that dealt with San Francisco, Chinatown, the Mission...< Love these ideas. Chinatown would make a good theme for a shopping area in the sad and useless spot that is currently San Francisco. If they made it like New Orleans Square--but with a different theme, of course--it would great fun. Enclose it a bit more, make things multi-layered and multi-leveled, put some mystery in it, have asian music in that area, bring the Fortune Cookery idea back but make it better food in a Blue Bayou kind of darkened chinese restarant (yes, it smacks a bit EPCOT showcase) but it could work, right? Major themeing possibilities there. Just one possible problem I see is that they might be tempted to cheese it up with Mulan references--so not California. The idea that came to my mind about the Missions was a thrill or dark ride. How that wuold work out I don't know but for some reason that's how it spoke to me. I hate to say it but I think the Pixar stuff is too cute in DCA. The movies are great but Bug's Life and Toy Story are getting dated. Bunch of kiddie-draws, IMHO.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "LOL dude, are we going to go back and forth on THIS??" No, we aren't. As I said, let's not argue about DCA any further. As long as Disney maintains the California themed stuff that is there (which is about 90% of the park) then your point isn't worth discussing. "Love these ideas. Chinatown would make a good theme for a shopping area in the sad and useless spot that is currently San Francisco." Yep. A more immersive and richly themed San Francisco area could be the stepping off point for some sort of adventure attraction like Pirates or Indy.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney "LOL dude, are we going to go back and forth on THIS??" <<No, we aren't. As I said, let's not argue about DCA any further. As long as Disney maintains the California themed stuff that is there (which is about 90% of the park) then your point isn't worth discussing.>> LOL, lone crusader as always. Don't like the subject matter, 'it isn't worth discussing' got it thanks, and now you wonder why I post here about once a month now as it is. I will say it one.more.time. To say just because there is stuff that deals with California from opening is a GIVEN!!! No one is saying that the Cali theme is completely gone, but it's quite obviuos they care nothing about the original intent of the park since it debuted with a thud. Understandable in my book, go a different direction, I AGREE with that, just don't half you-know-what as DCA also seems to get. Disney doesn't want to spend the hundreds of millions to correct their mistake--can't blame them on that either, but pick an identity for this park and STICK WITH IT! It's obvious the park COMPLETELY changed gears six months into opening because they knew they had a big fat bomb on their hands. It's obvious as what **I** keep saying is since opening, they have not put one addition or expansion into the 'history, culture or spirit' of California. Not one. Meanwhile, 6 years ON, we have gotten 6 different pixar additions in the form or another of theme rides, parades, shows and an entire land for Christ sake. They can't be bothered to make ONE attraction dealing with what makes California, CALIFORNIA!!! But, I guess as long as they maintain the stuff that is there now as you put it, while constantly shoehorning in one cutesy character attraction after another then it's all good. In 10 years, the California stuff will be greatly overshadowed and that's the problem. The place feels so lopsided now, it's lost it's identity the second they threw in FFF. I don't know, I just would like to see them build stuff that is worthy of California, not Pixar ALL the time, that's all. Why they feel the need to throw it in just reeks of desperation. Like I said, just change the marque or something. Take the 'C' out of DCA and magically most of it won't look so out of place. Placemake the hell out of it with all the fantasy elements they SHOULD'VE had from the beginning and maybe people might actually spend the full amount on the park sometimes instead of going in for 3 hours, say, 'this was fun' and then spend the rest of their day at DL.
Originally Posted By bean The arguement of the theming being abonded is nothing new and no matter what people will se the additions one way others another way. The reality is that the them has not been abondoned. Additions to the park will continue to be made so that they fit the specific them of the land. Lets use Toy story Mania as an example. The theme -- Midway games staring toys in a themed Midway area within a pier. It just so happens that Disney has a collection of very popular toy characters that they could be used to strnegthen the theme. Now lets look at the attraction building. A highly detailed turn of the century victorian building similiar to what was visible in the early 20's in California seaside piers. Now lets get evenmore detailed. A lushly themed victorian building that will be similiar to a very famous Landmark in CALIFORNIA, the Coronado hotel. The oevrall theme of the park will continue to be California with lands that pay tribute to its diverse ecosystem and certain landmarks. Within these lands the overall theme will continue to be California with the occasional attraction having tie ins to Disney branded characters that fit the specific land they will be incorporated in. Carland, the main theme - The diverse car culture of California and its landmarked route 66. Main attraction within the land themed to a ver foumas Disney property.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^And that's all GREAT news, the problem is NONE of it has happened yet!! I asked in another thread is WHEN is all this stuff suppose to happen or begin to happen? We all know the drill by now, UNTIL Disney makes it official, it's all pure speculation and rumors. But, if it actually happens, GREAT!!!! But, for 6 years on now, all the additions and quick fixes have basically focused on everything BUT California. So, I don't think people can be blamed for thinking the theme has been abandoned, because the last 6 years since opening, it basically has been and anyone who doesn't spend 3 hrs a day on a message board can only see what is built and promoted in the park and yeah, most of it is faaar from what the park was originally built for (c'mon, I'm making sooome sense right? ). As for Toy Story actually, I was going to mention Toy Story Mania as a plus, but again, why do they need a Pixar brand just to make something like that? But, I am happy though at least they are tying it in with the theme for a change, and LIKE the idea very much. Again, I would just like to see more focus on what makes California, CALIFORNIA!!! Carland or whatever they will HOPEFULLY call it , is once again, another great idea, but ANOTHER Pixar addition. I mean, when does it end? The last 3 rides for this park has all been Pixar inspired, not Cali inspired and that's what most are saying. Just build at least ONE California attraction between all the Pixar projects in the next decade. Really. All the placemaking, if true, will be great and will add to a park that SHOULD'VE had this stuff in the first place. I for one will be veeeery happy when this park gets it *stuff* together .
Originally Posted By Socrates BTW, where is Pixar located? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^^DCA IF all it takes for a company to be located in the same state it's in to 'represent' California, it tells you how much the people that built this park respect their theme.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror As I understand it, Carland is going to be themed to PEOPLE'S love of cars and how they've been part of the culture, ala "AMERICAN GRAFFITI" and the countless car shows that proliferate throughout California. The "CARS" attraction will be a highlight, that themes as a "branchoff" from the overall theme, but we likely won't be seeing "living cars" outside of that specific attraction's area. Gotta say, after spending four days in San Fran, Monterey, Carmel, and driving down the coast, it's clear that WDI either 1) didn't take the same time to research and implement potential ideas or 2) was prohibited from going the extra mile. Regardless, what happened in DCA is a travesty of abdication of theme and potential. Bad enough that the theme is A SINGLE STATE, but to then only pay token attention to the potential that even THAT theme offers... it's just disgustingly crass and cheap. There's a lot more than 90 Percent of the park that ISN'T "California". And that hasn't changed for the positive with the additions (save for TOT, perhaps - and that was merely a convenient transplant) since opening.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "The reality is that the them has not been abondoned. Additions to the park will continue to be made so that they fit the specific them of the land." Thank you bean. What is happening is that characters and situations that have nothing to do with the theme of the area are being "redressed" so that they appear to correspond to the immediate area. Nemo's Subs, Pooh, and Buzz are perfect examples. Midway Madness (or whatever it's called) is no different.
