Originally Posted By barboy ///Is there ever a case where an adult should threaten to harm a 10 or 11 year-old?/// Absolutely; sometimes willfully killing a 10 or 11 is justified too.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey ^^^^^Instead of doing a "hit and run" posting to be inflammatory, why don't you back it up?
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad Hi Nikki, I'm a parent of 2 one teen and one pre-teen and it took us a while to learn that you have to let the kids work it out themselves. The more adults get involved in the kid-kid relationships the more they mess them up. Have patience, remember that most of the parents are learning how to deal with things too. Unfortunately the have to come to the conclusion themselves. you can't tell them or they will just turn on you.Just keep telling yourself you are doing one of the most valuble jobs in America and also one of the most difficult. Teachers and police need a big raise and a round of applause.
Originally Posted By barboy Possible scenario 1: say little 11 year old Brady gets dad's loaded hand gun and brings it to school and thinks it fun to start firing in the schoolyard where multiple other children are playing. If the chance arises little Brady needs to be taken out immediately before other innocent children are gunned down. Possible scenario 2: say some terrorist organization has enlisted a 10 year to wear enough explosives to blow up a small building and the kid is running into a crowded mall---- the kid needs to be taken out immediately. Got it now or do you want more 'cases' of justified child killing? Yes, the world can be a terrible, brutal place sometimes.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad I don't see how she can sue. Disney isn't obligated to allow her unlimited rides without waiting in line regardless of what her Dr.s note says. What damages does she have that disney caused. Someone needs to make her a giant one of those baby jumper seats that you hang in a doorway and let her go to town. Hey, what about bungee jumping? That's like TOT times 10!
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad Let it go Nikki. This guys is just trying to step on our buzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Originally Posted By barboy ///Teachers and police need a big raise and a round of applause./// No, police are paid well already. But I agree with you about teachers--- they definitely are underpaid for what they contribute.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Hey, what about bungee jumping?/// --very good idea; now let's hope the cord snaps while trying it off of a very tall structure. Oh, bad idea after all because her heirs/family would sue the cord manufacturer, the structure owner and mgt. firm as well as some innocent onlooker who broke her fall and is now paralyzed.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey <<Got it now or do you want more 'cases' of justified child killing? Yes, the world can be a terrible, brutal place sometimes.>> There are lots of terrible, brutal things I could say about your attitude right now. However, since you want to act ridiculous and misinterpret things simply for the sake of getting some attention like a 10 year old, I'll go ahead and explain this to you word for word, just like I do with my 5th graders: should any adult threaten to bodily hurt a child for everyday, run of the mill child-to-child issues? There - are you happy now, or do I need to placate you more? My job is hard enough already, trying to keep the peace between a bunch of 10-11 year olds in order to teach them. I don't need ADULTS going off the deep end because little Joe got pushed over on the playground. I shouldn't have to worry about protecting my students from parents. <<Have patience, remember that most of the parents are learning how to deal with things too.>> CarolinaDad, I have to disagree with you. A parent of a 10-11 year old shouldn't still be "learning" how to deal with child-to-child relationships. Back when I was a kid, it wasn't normal for parents didn't threaten to harm another person's child over kid stuff, so I certainly can't justify that attitude now. In the two years I've been teaching, I've had four parents threaten to harm a child because of petty childhood incidents, and several of the other teachers I know have experienced the same thing. It makes me angry that adults can be so stupid. No wonder the world is such a violent place today; I'm trying to teach my students that violence isn't the answer, yet their parents are threatening to smack other kids around. For a time I was teased unmercifully when I was in school and threatened several time, but my parents never threatened that other child. They called the school, they called parents, but I never heard them say that "someone needs to make sure they have bail money because I'm going after that kid if he touches my child." I don't see why things are so different now.
Originally Posted By barboy You wrote "Is there ever a case where an adult should threaten to harm a 10 or 11 year-old?" I merely challenged your 'allness' appraoch by offering two contradictory scenarios which you expected me to backup. Here's you again: "Instead of doing a "hit and run" posting to be inflammatory, why don't you back it up?" Well I backed it up and now you're ticked about it. Next time don't ask if you don't want a response. I respect your commitment to our youths and I respect your attitude of doing whatever it takes to survive, even if taking a lower paying job(yes, I remember that discussion back a few months ago) but I'm not too pleased with your hostility this evening.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad WHOA, I wasn't trying to justify anything or say we threatened other kids. Our advice to our kids was to avoid that kid and not have anything to do with them. But things always seemed to work out best when our kids found their own solutions. We are still learning as parents and we will continue to do so. Any parent that thinks they know it all is only kidding themselves and doing a disservice to their children. I can see that you are very passionate about this subject. I could generalize about the bad experiences we have had with some teachers but I choose not to do so because it demeans those teachers that work so hard and have done such a good job with my kids. I think in your haste to lash out that you forget that those you are so angry with are the minority and I would prefer not to be grouped with them thank you.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Sadly what once was often jealously is now dead on commentary. << No it's still jealousy. These are comments by people that hate the concept of what America is, period. >> I realized that this summer in China when I had to explain things like George Bush, the religious zealots that have taken over the Republican Party, and ... oh yeah, American Idol! << I can understand the difficulty in explaining freedom of religion, and the right of the people to elect who they choose. Next time I suggest you try explaining these things to people who actually understand the concept, and live in a country that practices these things. Would you please give me the names of these religious fanatics, I wish to distance my self from them. If you attempted to explain American Idol you must have watched it. Are you a closet Fan Spirit?
Originally Posted By RockyMtnMinnie >>>WFTV<<< All I know is every time I see this thread, I keep misreading the TV station.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<No it's still jealousy. These are comments by people that hate the concept of what America is, period.>> I can only speak from my personal experiences, MPierce. And the folks I worked with over the summer in China and during my earlier travels to Europe didn't/don't hate what America is at all. They hate our 'leadership.' They hate George Bush. They don't understand how a great nation can look up to ignorance, arrogance and plain old stupidity as traits to be valued. But they don't hate the USA or its people. Hell, they really seem to love us ... or want to. That's what makes everything going on with us on the world stage so confounding. And until you get out and travel to other lands and other places, please don't just believe what is force fed to you by the media. >> I realized that this summer in China when I had to explain things like George Bush, the religious zealots that have taken over the Republican Party, and ... oh yeah, American Idol! << <<I can understand the difficulty in explaining freedom of religion, and the right of the people to elect who they choose.>> Some people ... well, many people, view religion as a bad thing. That doesn't make them bad people or ignorant people or people that need to be taught or converted or saved. That doesn't even mean they don't believe in a higher power. You can be spiritual and ethical ... and moral ... and have no use for any organized religion. And, no, it doesn't mean you're going to hell unless by hell you mean a WDW resort bus headed to Port Orleans from the MK at midnight on a July night! <<Next time I suggest you try explaining these things to people who actually understand the concept, and live in a country that practices these things.>> I'd rather live in a country that isn't so polarized and that's tolerant of people with different backgrounds, races, ethnicities, sexual orientation ... and one where votes really count and not something called the electoral college. <<Would you please give me the names of these religious fanatics, I wish to distance my self from them.>> It might be easier to name the names of those politicians who don't pander to the flock by using words like 'God' and 'faith' in speeches! <<If you attempted to explain American Idol you must have watched it. Are you a closet Fan Spirit? >> I can honestly say I haven't made it through a full episode yet and doubt I ever will. I can't explain it anymore than I can explain the popularity of WalMart or Ben Stein.
Originally Posted By jkayjs << <<If you attempted to explain American Idol you must have watched it. Are you a closet Fan Spirit? >> I can honestly say I haven't made it through a full episode yet and doubt I ever will.>> I'm crushed Spirit I thought this was the one thing we would always have in common, our love of AI. Till about 6 mo ago I thought there were 2 guys hosting untill some 20 something @ work informed me what a moron I was. OK I'm not a moron and I sure won't devote a designated time for any tv show, I wouldn't remember anyway.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Wow, this thread has really derailed, now for some interjections from someone who most of you could care less to hear from but I am going to do it anyway.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo First of all, this lady just typifies everything that is wrong with humanity, especially in America. with the health warnings on the ride, she would probably also sue if she got hurt. She either plays by the rules or leaves, it's that simple. People like her make me sick!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Nikki, I hate to do this to you, but YOU DON'T KNOW IT ALL. In fact, your attitude as a pedagogue scares me at times. You are still learning as a teacher, I am still learning as a parent. I do not condone the behaviour of these parents, but to refute they are not still learning is just as ignorant. Being a big brother I learnt lots of lessons about parenting that I have tried with my own kids and changed views as well. I am of the "let the kids sort it out" mentality most of the time, but I also have little desire to raise my kids in the US because there are less weapons on the playground here (though sadly that is changing).
