Originally Posted By CaptainMichael <<<^ I get that sometimes with a EPCOT Center ringtone. I know the hurt. >>> Save for the fact that Epcot is still very much in existence and you can still very much visit it whenever you want... Wanna know "the hurt"? Walk out of Epcot next time you go, and tell yourself you'll never be going back.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^Yea, he doesn't understand. And you know what's worse? Having the club close without even getting one last night in.
Originally Posted By CaptainMichael <<<^^^Yea, he doesn't understand. And you know what's worse? Having the club close without even getting one last night in.>>> Well, I did finally get that...a year later, and it wasn't a normal night by any means. Still, it was the best night I have ever spent there.
Originally Posted By -em >>Having the club close without even getting one last night in<< That I could understand. I am glad I was around for its final nights and in some ways having the club as I knew it come to an end weeks before as the crowds came made it easier (because of all the memories I have- some of the not fondness are of the last nights where you stood nose to nose in one small area of carpet for hours to potentially get in and see a show.) Course I guess I do need to thank Disney- By closing the club they save me a good 50-100 bucks a month on a bar tab... -em
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Save for the fact that Epcot is still very much in existence and you can still very much visit it whenever you want...<<< Yeah, but the soul of it, and what made it great, is gone.
Originally Posted By CaptainMichael <<<Yeah, but the soul of it, and what made it great, is gone.>>> :shrug: It still feels enough like Epcot for me.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>:shrug: It still feels enough like Epcot for me.<< It's no where near the level of immersion and quality it was, though. Out of all of WDW's parks, it's changed the most, and while it needed to change, it did it the wrong way. Parts of it's soul are missing.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<It's no where near the level of immersion and quality it was>> Except for Imagination, it's just as good or better.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Except for Imagination, it's just as good or better.<<< ....Erm...No. TLS's SeaBase is dead. M:S, while nice, the training story always bogs it down. TT doesn't fit a place called Future World. Innoventions is just dead space. The music, and basic feeling of EPCOT is gone. Need I go on? At least other parks still retain MOST of their classics, and what originally made that park so great. EPCOT only has two of those left. SSE and LwtL.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<TLS's SeaBase is dead.>> No big loss, IMO. <<M:S, while nice, the training story always bogs it down.>> M:S and Horizons is a tie in my book. <<TT doesn't fit a place called Future World.>> Meh, I like it better than WoM. <<Innoventions is just dead space. >> Definitely not. The exhibits in there are always changing, and always informative. I'm not a fan fo the structural changes to the pavilions, but it's far from dea space. <<The music, and basic feeling of EPCOT is gone.>> To you. Epcot feels no different to me, save for Imagination. As for the music, it's still a great collection of songs. It's just not the old music. <<EPCOT only has two of those left. SSE and LwtL.>> And American Adventure. And basically all of WS. UoE isn't a big departure from the original.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer The way you think I don't understand the AC, I think you don't understand anything about EPCOT Center. We will just leave it at that. ...But if you think today's EPCOT measures up to EPCOT Center and it's level of quality, cohesiveness, story, and theme, I really question your taste. (And sanity. ;-) )
Originally Posted By -em <<Innoventions is just dead space. >> Hey I learned that Velcro is just the company name and not a product name. Velcro makes Hook and Loop fastener. So it's edutain-ment Sum of all thrills had a wait time longer than test track this week...
Originally Posted By Daannzzz One of the problems with PI was that it was UGLY!!! It was not pretty, beautiful, whimsical, fun or any other great adjective. Even at night it was just okay.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper No I got EPCOT. I loved it. But I'm rational enough to see that the things that have been added are either par or improvements to what was there in the past. I would have rather had evrything from past and present in the park, but I'm also not going to trade anything that's there now for something from the past, save for JII.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> Hey I learned that Velcro is just the company name and not a product name. Velcro makes Hook and Loop fastener. So it's edutain-ment Sum of all thrills had a wait time longer than test track this week..<<< Really? That's quite impressive. And I am glad the world now has a place to learn of velcro and it's mystery and magic. ;-)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>No I got EPCOT. I loved it. But I'm rational enough to see that the things that have been added are either par or improvements to what was there in the past. I would have rather had evrything from past and present in the park, but I'm also not going to trade anything that's there now for something from the past, save for JII.<<< In terms to how the park draws in guests, yes, there is a massive improvement. That's not the only thing that matters in a Disney Park, though...What maters is HOW they do it....and putting in things that are not concurrent with the theme, like TT and Nemo take away from the quality of the park. In fact, it's mediocre, the easy way out, not Disney quality. You don't "get" EPCOT by accepting that they tore half of the park away just to grab more guests. ;-) They could have done that, but in a totally different way, and probably with the same type of attractions.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<>>>Except for Imagination, it's just as good or better.<<<>> Epcot is BY FAR my favorite park, and I have to agree that it is better than ever. <<....Erm...No.>> TLS's SeaBase is dead.>> Sea Base Alpha was pretty cool. It was truly like a Sea Base thousands of feet below the surface… very few people have ever been there. I think Nemo and Turtle Talk are far better (and more popular) options. Nemo is a charming darkride... really the only one Future World has (if you consider SSE just a darkride there is no hope for you). <<M:S, while nice, the training story always bogs it down.>> The training story is ESSENTIAL and Sinise does a GREAT job. It is the only way to explain why you are getting into a centrifuge rather than a spaceship. <<TT doesn't fit a place called Future World.>> And World of Motion did?? Other than a brief trip through a "time tunnel" it was all about the past. It was charming in it's own way, but nothing new. Even much of the AA had been recycled from old attractions. <<Innoventions is just dead space.>> HOLY CRAP!! You must have never seen it when it was Communicore. The only people ever there were the CM paid to work there. <<The music, and basic feeling of EPCOT is gone.>> Sorry, no it isn't. Epcot still has the most distinctive music of any WDW park. Maybe not quite as "New Age" as it used to be, but "new Age" is yesterday's (20 years ago) news. <<Need I go on?>> Not really. You don't have anything right yet... why continue? ;-)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>And World of Motion did?? Other than a brief trip through a "time tunnel" it was all about the past. It was charming in it's own way, but nothing new. Even much of the AA had been recycled from old attractions.<<< EPCOT's theme has been "Where man has gone, and where he plans to go". This satisfied it perfectly. >>> The training story is ESSENTIAL and Sinise does a GREAT job. It is the only way to explain why you are getting into a centrifuge rather than a spaceship.<<< They could EASILY just make that a "loading" area of sorts, and have effects to show that your capsule on the centrifuge was moved to a rocket that would actually take you to Mars. That would make the attraction near perfect, honestly...It's great as it is. >>HOLY CRAP!! You must have never seen it when it was Communicore. The only people ever there were the CM paid to work there.<< Nope...I remember CCore having a fair crowd. Much more than Innoventions on our past visit... or the year before that...or the year before that. >> Sorry, no it isn't. Epcot still has the most distinctive music of any WDW park. Maybe not quite as "New Age" as it used to be, but "new Age" is yesterday's (20 years ago) news. << The current music is great, I give you that, and I agree. But I was referring to the fact that the original songs and BGM just furthered the ideas of the park so well, and so completely.
