Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<< Wonders if Dan Cathy was a Muslim and expressed these views would there be as much outrage, likely not
Originally Posted By ecdc Right. Cause Muslims fair so well in America while Christians are routinely persecuted. We know this because of the firestorm over the Ground Zero Cathedral.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Wonders if Dan Cathy was a Muslim and expressed these views would there be as much outrage, likely not<< I bet the lines Wednesday would've been a leeeeeetle bit shorter. Free speech. Yeah, right.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "<a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...zed.html" target="_blank">http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...zed.html</a> Another classy move by those opposed to Chick Fil A. Free speech is fine, but again this is crossing the line." What line? I thought this was pretty funny, not to mention clever. This was done by a teenage kid who 'fessed up the same day this all broke.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 //I have no trouble with self-esteem/// <I almost believed you until you followed it up with:> /// Seeing those millions of people lined up for CFA was a stark reminder that, no matter how far we've come and how inevitable equality is in the long run, there are still millions of people who feel exactly that way about me, for no damn good reason./// <Clearly you are too defensive and likely paranoid to really understand why so many would go out of their way to queue up for some chicken.> Clearly you've never been on the receiving end of this kind of bigotry. It really is, sadly, an animating force for many. And the going out of their way is actually the tip-off. <I feel that those showing support for the chicken house don't care much about your(my or anyone's) sexuality.> You "feel?" Well, that settles it, then. Except you're wrong. I happened to be down south on Aug. 1. The local news had a piece about the "Appreciation Day." Some of the interviewees made it abundantly clear they were there because they were anti-gay. And all you have to do is read some of the comments sections on the news pieces about this. Then tell me those people don't care about anyone's sexuality or that that sort of bigotry is a thing of the past. Sure, some of the people there might have been there because they misunderstood this as a "free speech" thing. Some might have been there thinking they were somehow supporting "traditional marriage," and convinced themselves they weren't anti-anybody (as many of those opposed to interracial marriage convinced themselves). But you paint with too broad a brush. If only half of those there decided to show up because of anti-gay feelings, that's still millions of people. <But go ahead and make it about you if you like.> Um, yeah. I'm the only person in the world who is affected by the groups CFA lavishes millions on. Tell it to the Ugandans.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <"I don't give a damn what Chick-Fil-A or The Home Depot or Gap or any other corporation thinks about gays. I care what my leaders think about equality."> I don't care what the CEO of CFA thinks either. I don't know how many times some of us have to say this. We care that he donates millions of dollars to hate groups. I don't care what the CEO of Burger King thinks politically either. But if I found out he was donating millions to the Klan, I wouldn't patronize Burger King, and I'd hope you wouldn't either.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Sure, some of the people there might have been there because they misunderstood this as a "free speech" thing./// You're at it again I see. might?!?!?!? So you are claiming that you are unsure that a portion who have queued up are there for other than anti homosexual agandas? Your lack of honesty is showing again. Why is it so difficult for you to speak candidily? If you start posting in a more honest, frank fashion you will garner not only more respect but more credibility as well. Anyway, I'm not holding my breath for you to do the right thing as this has been one of your more pronounced posting trademarks over the last few years. Back on topic: It's refreshing to see that so many are showing support for basic freedoms.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>So you are claiming that you are unsure that a portion who have queued up are there for other than anti homosexual agandas? << I think we're **all** 100% sure that the majority of the people were there because either they're prejudiced against gays, or they get their holly jollies pissing off liberals regardless of the circumstances.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 ///Sure, some of the people there might have been there because they misunderstood this as a "free speech" thing./// <You're at it again I see. might?!?!?!?> Yes, might. A word that has more than one meaning. As in "Some people's favorite DL ride might be Space Mountain. For some, it might be the Haunted Mansion. For some, it might be Splash Mountain." And of course, we know for a fact that MANY people choose each of those as a favorite ride. Do you see the usage I was using now? One might hope so. <So you are claiming that you are unsure that a portion who have queued up are there for other than anti homosexual agandas?> Nope. See above. <Your lack of honesty is showing again.> Right back at you, although I'm willing to go with obtuseness. <Why is it so difficult for you to speak candidily? If you start posting in a more honest, frank fashion you will garner not only more respect but more credibility as well. <Anyway, I'm not holding my breath for you to do the right thing as this has been one of your more pronounced posting trademarks over the last few years.> Please. Plus, you sidestep my point, not surprisingly. If only half of the people there were there for anti-gay reasons (and since I said this in the last post, one might think that would have been the tip-off as to my meaning of "might," i.e. half of them might indeed have been there for other reasons), that's still millions of people choosing to show up to count themselves in the anti-gay throngs. <Back on topic: It's refreshing to see that so many are showing support for basic freedoms.> Except this has nothing to do with basic freedoms. No doubt some people there convinced themselves of that, but in reality that was not the case. Cathy's freedoms were never curtailed. He said what he said and no government agent knocked on his door and took him away. And that's what the first amendment is: protection against the government for you speech, not the consequences of saying whatever you like to whomever you like. If I march into my boss's office and tell him off, adding in a few choice words about his mother, I can't go crying "first amendment!" if he fires me. Cathy is free to say what he wants, and free to donate his money the way he wants. And the rest of us are free to react to that. Ironically, you don't seem to like the "basic freedom" part of the second half of that.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <You're smarter than that. I seriously think you're reaching at anything to excuse this guy. He doesn't give 20 or 50 bucks. He gives millions. << <Not making excuses, but the pitchforks are already out, and the stake is on fire. People have already tried and convicted him, based on evidence they are uncovering now. > With few exceptions, all anyone is doing is pointing out his actions, and not patronizing his restaurants. I think he'll be just fine.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>As one conservative Christian columnist opined: “At the end of the day, this conversation isn’t really about marriage, gay rights or restaurant permits. It’s not about the cultural divide between north and south, liberal and conservative. It’s about Jesus. … As weary as we may be of the culture wars, the Chick-Fil-A controversy is a harbinger of further ostracism to come. In the United States, the words of Jesus are coming to pass for those who hold tightly to His vision of sexuality: ‘You will be hated because of Me.’” The controversy over same-sex marriage has been left behind, as we plunge into America’s newest favourite competition: America’s Next Top Victim. If you needed one more example of why the American political system so tragically fails to solve real-world problems, here it is, wrapped up with pickles and served with waffle fries.<< <a href="http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/08/04/david-frum-fried-chicken-for-jesus/" target="_blank">http://fullcomment.nationalpos...r-jesus/</a>
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <the words of Jesus are coming to pass for those who hold tightly to His vision of sexuality: ‘You will be hated because of Me.’”> Gotta love how 100% wrong that is. Jesus said that to His followers because of his stances on loving your enemies, selling your possessions to feed the poor, how it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven... all those radical ideas that were dangerous to the powers that be - then and now. He wasn't saying they'd be hated because they were holding to His stance that gay people shouldn't get married... He uttered not one word we know of on gay people at all.
Originally Posted By mawnck Gee ... maybe we're wrong! Here's a caller to a radio talk show. >>I am just so proud of the whole outfit and we got three-quarters of an inch of rain last night and I just know that the Lord has blessed our northwest Arkansas area with rain, a partial ending of this drought, because we stood up for someone who was quoting Biblical values lovingly.<< More choice stuff at the link. <a href="http://www.goddiscussion.com/99523/northwest-arkansas-gets-rain-because-christians-ate-at-chick-fil-a/" target="_blank">http://www.goddiscussion.com/9...k-fil-a/</a>
Originally Posted By TMI "It's refreshing to see that so many are showing support for basic freedoms" The basic freedom to be an open bigot? Refreshing? Sickening is more like it.
Originally Posted By dshyates "It's refreshing to see that so many are showing support for basic freedoms." I fully support Mr. Cathy's right to free speech, and his right to donate to any cause, group, or organization he wants. But I will exercise my right to not give him any more money in which he can use to try and take away my rights as a gay man. The organizations he is financially supporting push legislation to restrict the ability of equal rights in the areas of employment, housing, adoption, and even custody of gay people's own children. Barboy, please tell me who has attempted to restrict Mr. Cathy's right to free speech.
Originally Posted By dshyates And barboy, you and I both know that the vast majority of those at Hater Apprecian Day were actually out showing their unity I'm hating "The Gays". All rhetoric aside, it really was a disgusting display of the great tradition of American Hatred.
Originally Posted By barboy ///you and I both know that the vast majority of those at Hater Apprecian Day were actually out showing their unity I'm hating "The Gays". /// More paranoia and breast implanting......is it possible for you and other agenda seekers to make this more of a mountain out of a mole hill? Some of you have taken 'bee stings' and turned them into double D's. So 'no', I do not see it the same way as you and others.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <majority of those at Hater AppreciationDay were actually out showing their unity I'm hating "The Gays". All rhetoric aside, it really was a disgusting display.> I agree.
Originally Posted By dshyates "So 'no', I do not see it the same way as you and others." Of course you don't. It was the most disgusting mass expression of HATE I have seen in my 50 years.
