Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I didn't even know the Securities and Exchange Commission had a team.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Are you kidding! CFA are not open on Sunday for religious reasons. The franchise is synonymous with Christianity. They are headquartered here in Atlanta. Everyone here knows about their hiring policies. Can't say I have a single friend that works for CFA for obvious reasons.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<I didn't even know the Securities and Exchange Commission had a team.>> You should see the rivalry they have with Homeland Security
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <The franchise is synonymous with Christianity.> The franchise is synonymous with a particular brand of Christianity that purports to speak for all of Christianity. Fixed it.
Originally Posted By mawnck A CFA manager goes on Reddit to chat. <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/chick-fil-a-store-manager-talks-about-his-job-on-reddit-2012-7" target="_blank">http://www.businessinsider.com...t-2012-7</a> An interesting excerpt (keeping in mind that this would be a franchise restaurant): >>On whether internal policies promote bigotry toward homosexuals "Absolutely not. The views of Dan Cathy do not represent anyone's views. During the interviewing process my religion never came into question. We also have a few homosexual employees. "I get along well with all of my employees. I can tell you I'm sure they are upset. Just like most of us."<< Kind of a mixed bag here ....
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb <a href="http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/gay-marriage-chik-fil-a-controversy/2012/07/24/id/446402?s=al&promo_code=F8E3-1" target="_blank">http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfro...e=F8E3-1</a> This article postulates the comments were taken out of context and they were part of a discussion about faith and values, gay marriage was never part of the question or conversation. So my question is, Prop 8 support aside, is a statement in support for "traditional marriage" including only marrying once, automatically condemnation of gay marriage?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>is a statement in support for "traditional marriage" including only marrying once, automatically condemnation of gay marriage?<< No, but contributing dollars to make gay marriage illegal sure is. Aligning with "Focus on the Family" is as well. Chick-Fil-A can do whatever it likes. But if they're going to discuss their opinions of things having nothing to do with chicken sandwiches, they have to realize that doing so might mean some people would no longer wish to support them. Free market at work.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It's essentially become code for opposing marriage equality, yes. I suppose there might be a way to parse it so it wasn't, but Mr. CFA statements were pretty clear (despite newsmax's attempt to muddy the waters), and certainly CFA's giving millions of dollars to organizations that specifically oppose marriage equality kind of gives the game away.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Also, Newsmax is a right wing site, and it is glossing over (ignoring, really) Chick-Fil-A's relationship with Focus on the Family and the money it gives to political causes. The article is pure spin, not an honest, objective analysis.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb It seems the main gripe is CFA's support of Prop 8 and Focus on the Family, and the COO's statement is just the catalyst for media hoopla. For the record, I believe gay and lesbian couples deserve the same rights and benefits as straight couples. I also believe this guy has the right to think and say any darn thing he pleases and anyone who disagrees has the right to boycott his business, or pull their license from a toy promotion. But I can't help but think this has been blown WAY out of proportion.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>It seems the main gripe is CFA's support of Prop 8 and Focus on the Family, and the COO's statement is just the catalyst for media hoopla.<< The CEO reminded everyone of this. He took a stand, and now people can choose to either support him or not. I don't get why, in 2012, a company would actively support bigotry and offend millions of potential customers, but Chick-Fil-A's CEO did just that. It must be that big of a deal to them.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer So my question is, Kristallnacht aside, is a statement in support for "Aryan purity" automatically condemnation of Judaism?
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb Oh please, don't insult the memory of the dead, by comparing one company's out-dated attitude and bigotry to the holocaust. If I was defending those who murder gays that would be appropriate, but this isn't the case here. And BTW I'm not even defending CFA,s COO, I only brought it up because there should two sides to a conversation. As a side note, I wonder if Mike Huckabee choosing August 1st as CFA Appreciation Day is because of or coincidental to this... https://www.facebook.com/events/224551367660970/ I had a heck of a time finding a work appropriate orange shirt, I wish they'd picked a less ugly color .
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb >>>The CEO reminded everyone of this. He took a stand, and now people can choose to either support him or not.<<< But WAS it a stand? Or was it just a statement in an interview?
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "This article postulates the comments were taken out of context and they were part of a discussion about faith and values, gay marriage was never part of the question or conversation. So my question is, Prop 8 support aside, is a statement in support for "traditional marriage" including only marrying once, automatically condemnation of gay marriage?" Well, yes and no. I read the interview in it's original context, and although not asked "what is your view on gay marriage"; he was asked about the controversy his previous statements have caused. That's when he said the "guilty as charged" thing. So, he re-endorsed, rather flippantly, all of his past views. So, the gay marriage thing is automatically included in that. That's why people are upset again, because of his attitude about it, and the fact that he couldn't care less. Again, it is his right to do and say whatever he wants. But, he has to anticipate the blowback.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I have to admit for as shortsighted and just plain wrong this opinion is, I don't know if it would really be enough for me to stop being a customer. Granted I never ate at a CFA but let's say who's ever running Pabst these days, makes similar comments, there's a strong possiblity I'd still be buying Pabst despite my disagreement, I just like the product enough, I think the same thing will probably happen here. Besides I'm sure had Los Pollos Hermanos not closed down because their CEO was the drug kingpin of the Southwest, people still would have gone there.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>the COO's statement is just the catalyst for media hoopla.<< Oh I disagree with this totally. Up until now CFA's argument has been that the organizations they support are not solely in the business of stopping gay marriage. Which is true. Even Focus on the Family does other stuff. His statement changed things by specifically stating that yes, it is CFA's official policy that they're opposed to gay marriage. That's the difference. >>Granted I never ate at a CFA but let's say who's ever running Pabst these days, makes similar comments, there's a strong possiblity I'd still be buying Pabst despite my disagreement<< If he said "I'm opposed to gay marriage", that would be one thing. If he said "Pabst Brewing Company is opposed to gay marriage", then I'm drinking Bud. (If I drank beer, which I don't.) >>I had a heck of a time finding a work appropriate orange shirt<< I call BS. No real gay would want me to go out in public with an orange shirt.
