Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I don't blame you. Our trip to New York a couple years ago ruined me for any other kind of pizza now.> It's great, isn't it? Part of it is that they know what they're doing (and in some cases are 3rd and 4th generation pizzerians... is that a word?), and part of it is the really excellent water (seriously) NYC has. Makes the crust so good. Same reason NY bagels really are better than other places. Bagels especially absorb a lot of water, so the better the water, the better the bagel. But it works for pizza dough too. And I hold that when you cross the river into Brooklyn, the pizza just KNOWS it has to be better still. There are a couple of hole in the wall joints in my nabe where the pizza is a religious experience.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I'm with Dabod-- I too am a pizza snob living in Chicago where real Italian pizza joints are everywhere ( and most people still eat thin crust not thick btw) - Godfathers is dogfood
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 ^^^ You don't do the pie at Lou Malnados(?) I only know that from the Travel Channel
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Malnati's and Pizzeria Uno & Due ( the originals ) downtown are at the top of the class for thick crust- but there is a lot of bad thick crust out there also. There are more real places with thin crust that is outstanding ( btw Malnati's sells more thin than thick I believe also )
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I can tell you how they ruined pizza. It was ruined when they listened to the "elite" forces that wanted them to use marinara sauce instead of seasoned Pizza sauce. Or they decided it was economically better to just interchange the sauce in the event someone wanted pasta instead of Pizza. It's like eating a piece of bread with spaghetti sauce on it. I long for the good old days of real Pizza flavor and smell. None of the chain stores have that. I don't have access to the mom and pop places that probably still use Pizza sauce. I miss it. Even the old Pizzas you made at home were better then todays store bought types.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Some of the Brooklyn places make their own sauce from scratch. Makes a big difference. Come to think of it, that's probably why they're even better than Manhattan places, which tend to be so busy, they don't have time to do so.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Pizza purists know that it's the sauce that gives pizza its flavor - not the cheese. The "extra cheese" people are rank amateurs. And bad pizza joints are ones that barely put any sauce on it. And another thing - these "kitchen sink" pizzas that are covered with every kind of topping imaginable. They're missing the whole point. Finally, my neighborhood in SF has a locally revered pizza spot called Goat Hill Pizza. It's pretty good, but too expensive ($25 for a large w/2 toppings). But the really odd thing is that their claim to fame is the sourdough crust. It's "good" but who cares about the crust?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Good crust can make a positive difference, even if you don't quite "taste" it. But I agree the sauce is the biggest thing. And homemade right there in the pizzeria (in one Brooklyn joint, you can see them crushing the tomatoes in the morning) - you can't beat that. Add fresh mozz from the Italian deli in the nabe (and fresh sausage or pepperoni from the same if desired) and... perfection.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I'm enough of a grew-up-in-California guy to admit I like the classic ham-and-pineapple pizza (which I first had at Shakey's with a cold root beer and some hot ragtime pianer.) So sue me.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Pineapple is not on trial here! (Try sausage and pineapple -- it's a better sweet vs. salty blend than suite ham & pineapple.)
Originally Posted By hopemax We do pepperoni and pineapple (and bacon). *runs away* The local Godfather's growing up was "okay." It wasn't the best, or the worst. But I'll admit it...if I could get a dessert pizza tomorrow, I would.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Hey... let's be fair here. Godfather's makes GOOD Republican pizza... cheesy and tasteless!
Originally Posted By dshyates The Godfather's Pizza near my house in WV suffered a propane leak and was mercifully blown off the face of the planet. I'm not a republican, but I could never vote for someone who can't make an edible pizza.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I'm not a republican, but I could never vote for someone who can't make an edible pizza.< it's as good a reason as any these days -
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Herman Cain says he does not know his 4th accuser. I would think that if records show that her room was indeed upgraded as she claims by Mr. Cain, it would be very bad for him. I wonder if hotel records going back to 1999 could be found, or if the hotel would even release such records if they had them unless they were forced to by a court?
Originally Posted By gadzuux Her story had levels of specifics, dates, locations and times that it seems credible. Therefore, Cain issues a flat denial and calls the woman a liar. If anything she says can be validated, we'll know who the liar is. But then, we already do. And what's worse is that republicans just. don't. care. They expect their politicians to lie to them.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 You know one person comes forward and it's a matter of he said/she said. Then a second one comes forward and the reaction is to say well she's just taking advantage and wants money. But as more people have come forward, much like in the Penn State situation you can't help but think that this is something that has to be true. Which is fine, I never considered Cain to be a legitmate threat.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Herman Cain has been lying through his teeth about this situation from the beginning. He first stated that the issue caught him off guard. Really? Politico contacted the Cain campaign 10 days before running the story, to give them a heads up. Politico had the info for weeks, waiting for the right moment to release the story. Cain and his campaign knew it was coming. Cain also claims that he doesn't remember the settlements. Really? How could he forget about this in a short eight years, between this campaign for President, and his previous run for Senator in Georgia? He remembered the women, the settlements, and warned his campaign team about it, in the event it was brought up by the opposition or media. And where is his wife, the long-time registered Democrat, standing by his side and supporting him through this? We've heard nothing from this woman, only a few tidbits about her from the media. Shouldn't she be standing by her man, helping to defend him against these alleged false accusations? For me, this is further proof that Cain is not really running for President. He's pulling a Palin, to jack up his popularity for financial gain. But now this sh*t has hit the fan, his sexual exploits will clearly threaten his career as a motivational speaker. This is the main reason he's in damage control mode, to salvage his speaking career. He knew he had zero chance of winning the Presidency from the get-go. He simply wants to cash in on being Flavor of the Month with the GOP base.
