Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>To "see" the swastika, one must subtract a fairly good portion of the design.<< True. Maybe it's just me, but the pattern seems to be more about those "T" shapes, with the "swastika" being a sort of unplanned occurrence. In any case, I just can't imagine that had it been noticed during the design phase they would go forward hoping no one would notice. There is an unfortunate view of the "Partners" statue that results in an -- ahem -- surprising illusion. I don't think this was noticed or even thought about. Things happen.
Originally Posted By Figurehead Thanks Jim! That artical was amazing and exactly what I was trying to convey. And about the partners statue... I must have looked at it from EVERY angle trying to see that, but never did. Again like you said @oon, it's all in who sees what and how they see it.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>And about the partners statue... I must have looked at it from EVERY angle trying to see that, but never did.<< Stand in the dead center of the entrance to Adventureland. Have fun.
Originally Posted By Westsider Tower of Terror was approved, designed and built entirely during Cynthia Harriss' tenure as Disneyland President. Cynthia Harriss is Jewish. I think the person who sees swaztikas hidden in the design on a lamp post and seriously thinks Disney put them there on purpose needs to just step away from the computer and take a break. Go to the beach for the day or something.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Lol this is funny, next up, is that partners statue in the hub saluting the Fuhrer (some anti Disney folks have argued this before) From some angles one might say yes: <a href="http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mickey-mouse.com/images/dlpartners2.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.mickey-mouse.com/picdlpartners.htm&usg=__kNQgRzcLs8gs8eg8U6LbAW3qJ-0=&h=584&w=390&sz=166&hl=en&start=16&um=1&tbnid=eAZJ1djWp7RPsM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=90&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddisney%2Bpartners%2Bstatue%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7ACAW_en___GB339%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1" target="_blank">http://images.google.com/imgre...26um%3D1</a>
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Stand in the dead center of the entrance to Adventureland. Have fun.<< Frontierland, actually. Not that I've ever noticed...
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>...is that partners statue in the hub saluting the Fuhrer...<< Actually, it's a lot more reminiscent of Lenin! <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Lenin_statue_Osh.jpg/300px-Lenin_statue_Osh.jpg" target="_blank">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi..._Osh.jpg</a> (Of course, even the Russians refer to this common pose as Lenin-hailing-a-taxi.)
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Frontierland, actually. Not that I've ever noticed...<< Oops, that is correct. Do it in Adventureland and you'll just be blocking traffic.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "I think the person who sees swaztikas hidden in the design on a lamp post and seriously thinks Disney put them there on purpose needs to just step away from the computer and take a break." I think you're missing the point that the OP is trying to make.
Originally Posted By Figurehead Thank you again Hans. BTW, that first pic of the partners statue looks a little bit like Walt is holding out a funny little cigarette like he's handing it to someone to share....... NOW THAT is some imagining there!
Originally Posted By RockyMtnMinnie I understand the original posters point, but last night I was sitting at the marina and decided to see how fast I could find a swastica in a pattern. It took me less than 10 seconds. If you look at wood lattice it forms hundreds of swasticas, and they are even turned 45 degrees. It's a pretty common pattern to locate.
Originally Posted By SleepingBeauty82 I think all the naysayers understand the point of the OP but they figure it's a moot point and silly to be talking about. As other posts have pointed out, you can see a lot of double meanings in images if you look hard enough and get creative. Who really cares?
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Why do people care about hidden Mickeys and other pointless Disney trivia? No, this isn't important, but it is kind of an interesting thing consider. At least I can say that I've learned something about the history of the swastika from this discussion.
Originally Posted By Ursula ^ There you go. I learned about swastikas as s symbol outside of their German connotations by watching a Tom Hanks movie.
Originally Posted By u k fan I'm willing to accept that the swastikas in this design were intentional and not some random thing that happened in the design by chance, but taken in context i.e. in a historically correct setting where the intention of the original design was likely peace rather than persecution I think they're fine. We expect a level of artificial realism in Disney parks and that's what this is. If however, we were discussing an area of the park that was meant to be Germany circa 1939 then that would be different. I can't imagine the design would get the go ahead in the Germany pavillion in Epcot!!!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Fair point Kiz. However, I wonder, based on Jim's pictures, if this design might be a direct lift of a design in Hollywood itself. Any locals care to check next time they are at the El Cap?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I thoght the OP's point was that the designer "must have" known itbwas there in the design because this is a common Asian pattern. I think that assumes too much. Countless things happen in this life unintentionally or through oversight.
