Originally Posted By leemac <<It just, imo, doesn't belong in TL when MGM is available. Wouldn't you say that it fits better in DCA?>> Granted the show isn't TL in its theming but it is a simple area show that needed a space. I can't think of a space at D-MGM where this could be performed as the entire park is very corridor-focused. The streetmosphere at the foot of Sunset Blvd can be bad enough at times (although it is my favourite thing about D-MGM these days). I don't ever feel that entertainment needs to be appropriate to the space it inhabits. Good entertainment should go where there is space. If you can fit it to the area, then that is great, like the awesome Laughing Stock Co. in Frontierland at DL but as the parade winds its way through Frontierland does it make you think it doesn't belong there? No. So why should HSM not be performed there? Never heard any complaints when Magic Music Days were in TL.
Originally Posted By leemac <<And that's fine. But it just doesn't reconcile with your past comments that that crowding would make you NOT want them to use that pad.>> For an area show??? I have definitely said that about using the TL pad for the new E-ticket (it isn't my preferred location) but can't see why a small show can't be performed there and have an impact on the land.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I don't think 'High School Musical is good' is the point here. Nor is 'High School Musical: The Musical is a good show'. The point is, how does anyone justify putting a show like that in Tomorrowland? Others have mentioned the types of entertainment that used to show in Disneyland -- Pizzazz comes to mind -- and how they weren't necessarily futuristic. Which is true. 'America Sings' went into Tomorrowland in Disneyland -- and had nothing to do with the future. That was back in 1974, when everyone at Disney knew what he was doing. Thing is, 'High School Musical: The Musical' regardless of how popular the movie is, has a relatively short lifespan, and will probably be gone in under a year. But to me, it would play better in Disney-MGM Studios.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN The HSM show at the MK is a BOMB, and an embarrasment. The budget should have been allocated for something else... like, cleaning the park?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^ I agree, and I guess I'd have less issue with it being out of place if the Studios didn't need so much help anyway... for me the Studios have fallen from my 2nd favorite park to my 4th, easily.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN You are not alone there, as some of my friends agree with you on MGM being their least fav park at WDW. Curiously enough, it doesn't bother me that much this show is at TL, but what bothers me the most is the low quality and poor execution of the whole thing. It's just a really bad show, period.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Granted the show isn't TL in its theming but it is a simple area show that needed a space.<< Sure. I agree. But I would differ with you in that it didn't HAVE to be in MK. I would disagree and say that with MK's rank as #1 and with the Pirate stuff and Mickey castle stuff, this wasn't a MUST HAVE for MK. >>I can't think of a space at D-MGM where this could be performed as the entire park is very corridor-focused.<< Really? I can think of like 30 areas. >>The streetmosphere at the foot of Sunset Blvd can be bad enough at times (although it is my favourite thing about D-MGM these days).<< Another thing I can appreciate other then when it's preventing me from entering the park in a practical manner. From enjoying spending a day soaking up the buildup that the original designers had in mind with the front areas of the park. People who spend $$$$$ on getaway vacations shouldn't be greeted with chaotic crowding the minute they enter a park. This goes for Town Square too. >>I don't ever feel that entertainment needs to be appropriate to the space it inhabits. Good entertainment should go where there is space.<< I disagree and the people who made Disney great would too. Anybody could point out 10 or 15 examples of hypocricy, but the ideal, the goal was to make things fit well. There was defintion to what placed at the Tahatian Terrace, Golden Horseshoe and Tomorrowland. >>like the awesome Laughing Stock Co. in Frontierland at DL but as the parade winds its way through Frontierland does it make you think it doesn't belong there?<< I'm missing your point here. I'm not sure what your trying to say b/c the parade doesn't visit that area in DL. >>So why should HSM not be performed there? Never heard any complaints when Magic Music Days were in TL.<< Well then you didn't hear me. It's not just an issue of space, which I come to value more now then ever considering what FP and strollers have done to MK. Just looking at it you would think they have the space constraints of DL. No, it's also an issue resources. For Magic Music Days and for this they could have utilizied the Galaxy Theater. The problem is that Entertainment at times gets too much discretion. So instead of painting in TL, they erect and daily support another show area. A temporary one. >>For an area show??? I have definitely said that about using the TL pad for the new E-ticket (it isn't my preferred location) but can't see why a small show can't be performed there and have an impact on the land.<< Not to beat a dead horse, but I agreed with you previously that TL had enough in it. That it had enough in it that there probably shouldn't be more expansion until things like 20K or Adventureland are dealt with. I think your attitude is that this stage will draw people from the main midway. That the sound of it will act like the pied piper. I disagree. Considering Space Mountain is already back there, that Buzz is right next door, that Carousel is right behind it, that TTA is right in front of it, I don't think it's going to have a relevant impact on guest flow. No, in my eyes, it will just add another area of groups of people that one must navigate around in order to get from one point to another. I like the idea of it at DCA. I would have liked to see it go somewhere in MGM.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>There was defintion to what placed at the.. << oops. sorry. to what played at the...
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA EPCOT Daredevil Circus Spectacular proved one thing: In the future, circuses will still be hokey, boring, and sort of silly.
Originally Posted By leemac <<>>like the awesome Laughing Stock Co. in Frontierland at DL but as the parade winds its way through Frontierland does it make you think it doesn't belong there?<< I'm missing your point here. I'm not sure what your trying to say b/c the parade doesn't visit that area in DL.>> Sorry I was mixing my parks without reference. I meant as the parade winds its way through MK's Frontierland. I can't really comment on anything further in your post Mike as I disagree 100% with it. Entertainment needs to attract an audience that is paramount. Constantly creating entertainment for TL must be extremely hard and I don't see why they should be shackled by such constraints. But then I loved Chance to Shine at DCA. Appropriate for the area, great song, fun and it failed to find a real audience (although Ops had a lot to do with that).
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Sorry I was mixing my parks without reference. I meant as the parade winds its way through MK's Frontierland.<< Do they do Laughing Stock at MK too? Even if they do it's a roving troupe, it's not like they built a stage. Regardless, this is the sort of entertainment that I think people enjoy when they come to a Disney kingdom park. Bonus points for it meshing with it's surroundings. >>I can't really comment on anything further in your post Mike as I disagree 100% with it. Entertainment needs to attract an audience that is paramount. Constantly creating entertainment for TL must be extremely hard and I don't see why they should be shackled by such constraints.<< Just for the record, I have no problem with rock bands, high school bands, etc. in Tomorrowland. That's pretty much old hat. At leats in DL they use the facilities alreay present. My point of distinction is that this is basically a reenactment of the movie. So, like it's placement in DCA over DL's TL, I think it would be better suited in MGM. I would have said the same thing if they would have not done the highly popular, and what I think is nice, Jedi training and instead put Up with People, ohh, I mean High School Musical on the rising stage at T Terrace. >>But then I loved Chance to Shine at DCA. Appropriate for the area, great song, fun and it failed to find a real audience (although Ops had a lot to do with that).<< I did too. I thought again it was a good fit. I thought it was something different and a nice offering. Now Steps in Time was a whole other boat. That is the kind of show that shows everyone how out of touch some "creatives" in your neck of the woods are. For the other stuff, the 100% , meh, it's ok to disagree. You and I both love Disney, that's all that matters. For example, I think Fitz & Co. are going to kill the novelty of the Living Characters program. I'll post my whine, ohh, I mean observation on the other thread so as not to hijack this one. Cheers!
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <If you were in HSM, would you have said the same thing about it? j/k> Hey, if it's bad it's bad, right?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<The HSM show at the MK is a BOMB, and an embarrasment. The budget should have been allocated for something else... like, cleaning the park?>> Well, I was SHOCKED at how clean the MK was this week when I went to MNSSHP ... considering they don't even close the park for 60-90 minutes to clear it ... the first few hours I struggled to notice anything on the pavement etc ... now it did get worse as people started eating/dropping/losing candy and wrappers as the night went on. But Disney really needs to better allocate its funds. The Spirit caught wind of some potentially very dangerous (for guests and cast) situations that are being ignored by management strictly for financial reasons. Not good. Not good at all.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<EPCOT Daredevil Circus Spectacular proved one thing: In the future, circuses will still be hokey, boring, and sort of silly.>> Actually, Jim, it also proved something else: the fountain and its infrastructure was not built to handle the weight of numerous pachyderms parading and performing on it daily.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Same argument can be said about the sidewalks in any given park but they have to withstand the abuse on a daily basis...
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Actually, Jim, it also proved something else: the fountain and its infrastructure was not built to handle the weight of numerous pachyderms parading and performing on it daily.> Interesting. Hadn't heard that, but it makes sense.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^Yep. Caused MAJOR damage because of their weight. That's why the fountain was basically non-functional for much of the mid-late 90s, until Disney finally spent the money (and it was a lot) to get the park ready for the Millennium.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "as the parade winds its way through Frontierland does it make you think it doesn't belong there?" As a Disneylander, I do feel the parade is strange rolling through LS and FL. But that's just me I suppose.
