Originally Posted By leemac <<Re: Potter.... That's not what you were saying before the WWoHP opened, Lee!!!!! ;-) LOL. >> It was exactly what I was saying - I WANT Potter to succeed but I'm skeptical that it WILL succeed as required. I've said all along that I want to be proven wrong. The issue is that there is no precedent out there in central FL that has worked. Personally I think only WB and JK Rowling will truly benefit - the deal is massively weighted in their favor. IoA can only hope that the attraction of Potter keeps people in their parks.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^ That, I can agree with. Can't go overboard, but I would hope that they, "play", as you say. What was overdone, in your opinion, for DLP?
Originally Posted By leemac <<Didn't know that! What kind of Law? >> M&A although I also did bankruptcy, banking and corporate litigation in training. I hated it - used it as a springboard to get into business development/M&A which is what I do know. Along the way I collected a few other qualifications including a CPA. I'm a sucker for education.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>It was exactly what I was saying - I WANT Potter to succeed but I'm skeptical that it WILL succeed as required. I've said all along that I want to be proven wrong. The issue is that there is no precedent out there in central FL that has worked. Personally I think only WB and JK Rowling will truly benefit - the deal is massively weighted in their favor. IoA can only hope that the attraction of Potter keeps people in their parks.<<< I know, I was joking...LOL. And I do too. I do think that IoA will see the rise in attendance, though.... This summer was proof of that.
Originally Posted By leemac <<What was overdone, in your opinion, for DLP?>> Everything! The park is a Disney geek's wet dream - even more so than TDS in terms of detailing and theming. It is a stunning park on a scale we have never seen before. And therein lies the problem. They had no coherent plan beyond Opening Day (except for Space Mountain which didn't have a set opening date until it was desperately needed), the park lacked certain capacity for peak traffic (the park was hugely bust/boom in terms of daily attendance) and they spent a fortune on everything. Some things were genius - like the arcades either side of MSUSA - but the park was just so detailed from the outset. I believe in two things - menu planning and 10 Year Plans. You need to keep adding new experiences as often as possible when you rely on local and repeat guests. The issue is that EuroDisney is still financing its outrageous debt which is crippling the cashflow of the business.
Originally Posted By leemac <<And I do too. I do think that IoA will see the rise in attendance, though.... This summer was proof of that. >> We've been told that both September and October were basket-cases for IoA - no idea how reliable the source is but we've been told that their numbers are way below where they projected. WDW's numbers have been decent over the same period.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///but even McD's make changes (sometimes significant changes to their menus) across borders./// "You know what they call a quarter pounder in Paris?........ .......ROYALE WITH CHEESE" Vincent Vega
Originally Posted By leemac <<M&A although I also did bankruptcy, banking and corporate litigation in training. I hated it - used it as a springboard to get into business development/M&A which is what I do know.>> Good grief - "now" of course. It is late.
Originally Posted By leemac <<"You know what they call a quarter pounder in Paris?........ .......ROYALE WITH CHEESE">> But it is still a quarter pounder.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Everything! The park is a Disney geek's wet dream - even more so than TDS in terms of detailing and theming. It is a stunning park on a scale we have never seen before. I believe in two things - menu planning and 10 Year Plans. You need to keep adding new experiences as often as possible when you rely on local and repeat guests. The issue is that EuroDisney is still financing its outrageous debt which is crippling the cashflow of the business.<<< So...PLAN out the details! Plan out the E Tics! We have a compromise! LOL.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>We've been told that both September and October were basket-cases for IoA - no idea how reliable the source is but we've been told that their numbers are way below where they projected. WDW's numbers have been decent over the same period.<<< I've had friends go, and only one reported a walk on day. The rest have had consistent waits.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///barboy2 - your examples aren't relevant./// Sure they apply ---they apply nicely since they counter quite convincingly vbdad's absurd position that widespread unique attractions are unrealistic. ///We are talking about a MK-style park/// At first,well 'yes' but the conversation evolved and ultimately splintered into a topic aboout originals/clones at large, no?
Originally Posted By Lee hisownself For what it's worth... I was at Potter on Friday. Forbidden Journey never got below 75min. Hippogriff stayed at 60, Dragons 25. Not summer numbers, but not bad. Uni is reporting October attendance up 36%.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper Clones are fine as long as they don't skimp on them when they're brought over. It's a smart business decision, especially since 99% of guests will never visit another Disney resort, let alone all of them. <<For what it's worth... I was at Potter on Friday. Forbidden Journey never got below 75min. Hippogriff stayed at 60, Dragons 25. Not summer numbers, but not bad. Uni is reporting October attendance up 36%.>> Yup! My mom, sister, and some family friends were there this past week. They said the week was busy but bearable, but Friday was really busy. In other news, my sister fell in love with Potter and Uni. My mom is still a Disney person, but that's because she can't do the bigger rides.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> "You know what they call a quarter pounder in Paris?........ .......ROYALE WITH CHEESE" Vincent Vega << What do they call a Whopper?
Originally Posted By barboy2 Jules Winfry "What do they call a Whopper?" Vincent Vega "I don't know, I didn't go into Burger King.........but you know what they put on french fries in Holland instead of ketchup.......mayonnaise--- I seen them do it"
Originally Posted By leobloom And since Disney owned Miramax back when Pulp Fiction was released, how sad that they never came up with a sanitized Pulp Fiction attraction for Orlando.
Originally Posted By MousDad Interesting. I guess TWDC likes to make up Uni's attendance numbers like they do their own, I see. So who are these brilliant people at TWDC that are still waiting to see whether Potter will be a success or not? Have they been on D.L. for the past 6 months? (That's Dumba** Leave, not Disability Leave, btw.) Lol. While Disney incomprehesibly thinks about Uni's Potter success as some kind of future tense possibility, Uni will have already built phase 2. Sorry, but I'm not buying the "Mouse Breathes a Big Sigh of Relief" theory.
