Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> Lol. While Disney incomprehesibly thinks about Uni's Potter success as some kind of future tense possibility, Uni will have already built phase 2. Sorry, but I'm not buying the "Mouse Breathes a Big Sigh of Relief" theory.<<< It's kinda like our future tense "expansion", as it were... Is that still happening?! ;-)
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///And since Disney owned Miramax back when Pulp Fiction was released, how sad that they never came up with a sanitized Pulp Fiction attraction for Orlando. /// Hey, I'm all for experiencing a Pulp Fiction attraction as long as it isn't a dark ride where we're strapped in and encounter a 'Zed'.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 But when dealing with entertainment...? Do we really want the same exact thing? In this case, Harmonization is the fact that the parks are unique, are different, and compliment each other -------------- you cannot make entertainment different financially than ALL other deliverables. what % of people do you think will ever see more than the parks in the US ? You keep overlooking completely that fact that this is a small audience that will ever see the difference.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 //barboy2 - your examples aren't relevant./// Sure they apply ---they apply nicely since they counter quite convincingly vbdad's absurd position that widespread unique attractions are unrealistic ---------------- did you major in hyperbole. When your business acumen to draw on matches mine - then you can talk like that, until then you sound like a raving fanboi and nothing else.
Originally Posted By barboy2 Come to think about it.... "Zed Encounter" would likely be more bearable than sitting through "Stitch's Great Escape" again.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Clones are fine as long as they don't skimp on them when they're brought over. It's a smart business decision, especially since 99% of guests will never visit another Disney resort, let alone all of them. --------------- exactly Hokie- something a few here seem to totally ignore in their argument. The fan base that will visit ALL Disney parks is a ' fringe' element of attendance by all definitions. QUALITY is what matters most to Disney guests - get a pereceived large return on their $ investment to attend. By all standards I am an off the chart Disney fan comapred to the real world - yet I give a rat's behind if they clone space mountain in HK or anywhere else. Should each park have SOME unique attractions - unique entertainment and tweaks wyes-- totally new and unqiue rides is lunacy. Thank God these people aren't controlling our stock portfoloio's
Originally Posted By vbdad55 WWoHP is the ultimate test because I don't think anyone would disagree at this point in time it is the absolute Gold Standard as a franchise out there. But like Lee says, let's wait 2-3 years and see if it can draw like that to the point where the investment is worth it. It is going to have it's last 2 movies coming out - it is a world wide phenomenon like none other in the last 25 years.... if it can do it then someone needs to determine is there anything else out there with that potential drawing power globally- and across all ages. ( I personally don't think there is another at least today) - and if it can't maintain then this conversation line should end immediately.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Should each park have SOME unique attractions - unique entertainment and tweaks wyes>> Most, would be preferable. I don't think a majority of the park should be made up of cloned attractions.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<But like Lee says, let's wait 2-3 years and see if it can draw like that to the point where the investment is worth it. It is going to have it's last 2 movies coming out - it is a world wide phenomenon like none other in the last 25 years.... if it can do it then someone needs to determine is there anything else out there with that potential drawing power globally- and across all ages.>> In 2-3 years the wait and see attitude may not work considering the land will most likely be bigger or getting bigger by then. As for a franchise, Star Wars is still as big as Potter, but those two are the only things in the same league.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///totally new and unqiue rides is lunacy./// ....more hot air coming out of the "Windy City" region in November no less---who would have figured! Hey 'Pops', you must have been in a board of directors meeting discussing shareholder wealth or you slept through my last list. If you were asleep wake up to this reality: Dl Anaheim EPCOT Animal Kingdom Disney Sea Thes parks have been full of original attractions. (Disney Sea, *now*, looks to be heading down the clone path.)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>what % of people do you think will ever see more than the parks in the US ? You keep overlooking completely that fact that this is a small audience that will ever see the difference.<<< "What do they know, they are tourists". All that really has to be said. Treat your guests as being dumb, your product follows suite. Also, can't really market "uniqueness' if Tokyo, Anaheim, and Paris have one too! >>did you major in hyperbole. When your business acumen to draw on matches mine - then you can talk like that, until then you sound like a raving fanboi and nothing else.<<< Also, way to keep an open mind, and to be civil. No need to take an attitude in what was a nice discussion.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Dl Anaheim EPCOT Animal Kingdom Disney Sea Thes parks have been full of original attractions. (Disney Sea, *now*, looks to be heading down the clone path.) << I'd add DAK to the list, since none of their opening day attractions were clones, right? And MGM didn't have any clones when it opened, either. And for many, many years, wasn't Star Tours the only clone in the park?
Originally Posted By leobloom Holy crap, you listed DAK and then I suggested you add DAK to your list. Obviously been a long day for me!
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///none of their(Animal Kingdom's) opening day attractions were clones, right?/// Not only that but I can't think of any clone in the park today---- looks like all originals to me. And I can't think of any clones in Disneyland Anaheim's 50+ attraction lineup. But what do I know since I didn't get a degree in business at the University of Califonia Berkeley. [And imported ride ideas from Florida like Space Mountain, Buz Lightyear and Pooh don't count for imagineers executed them differently in California, thus giving them their very own identity.]
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Not only that but I can't think of any clone in the park today---- looks like all originals to me. << Technically, I think, the Bug's Life movie was cloned for DCA. But, of course, DCA doesn't have the elaborate Tree theater, which makes the DAK version quite unique.
Originally Posted By Anatole69 ^^ I would put Lord of the Rings and Star Trek at that same level. The proposed Paramount park for Korea has a Star Trek attraction on its menu list, if I remember correctly. - Anatole
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///Technically, I think, the Bug's Life movie was cloned for DCA./// Ya, it sure looked like the exact same experience(including all of the same AA's like the fully developed Hopper and the Flick in the ceiling). But then again I only sat through it one time 5+ years ago at DCA so I leave room that I might be mistaken. And DCA's Muppetvision show looked like an identical twin to the MGM one.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///I would put Lord of the Rings and Star Trek at that same level./// If by 'level' you mean quality of entertainment then you have a case but if you are talking popularity/marketability I just don't see it. Star Trek and Lord of Rings are huge but not as big of a phenomena and following as the Star Wars empire or the Potter universe.
