Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <But it was completely inaccurate for you to say "it hasn't gotten much play."> This is also not so. DAR's statement was accurate.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Too bad the crazy guy at the Holocaust museum was a left-winger, probably poisoned by the left-wing rhetoric that was spewed out for almost eight years.>> To be fair I haven't seen any indication whether he was crazy right winger or crazy left winger. And no matter which side he belonged to does not represent Democrats or Republicans.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>This is also not so. DAR's statement was accurate.<< No, it wasn't. It got plenty of play, like I showed. You have not shown otherwise, so you are incorrect.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Too bad the crazy guy at the Holocaust museum was a left-winger, probably poisoned by the left-wing rhetoric that was spewed out for almost eight years.<< No, he wasn't a left-winger.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Too bad the crazy guy at the Holocaust museum was a left-winger<< Hmmm. Passages from his "notebook" certainly don't sound like the writings of a "left winger". From CBS news/AP: >>In the notebook, von Brunn said that President Obama was "created by Jews" and "does what his Jew owners tell him to do," according the the criminal complaint filed Thursday. The Homeland Security Department called the shooting a criminal incident and said it does not appear to have a connection to terrorism, according to a joint Homeland Security and FBI assessment issued Wednesday. The assessment, obtained Thursday by The Associated Press, said von Brunn is associated with right-wing extremism. << So i guess Homeland Security and the FBI somehow missed that he was a left winger. I hope you have more proof for this assertion Douglas than you did for the embarrassing episode when you claimed Arlen Specter denigrated people's faith, and wound up with zero backing for that.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Leave to Dougie to try and pin this tragedy on the left. Incredibly pathetic.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>This is also not so.<< I'm starting to think you really don't know what is and isn't so anymore at all. You claimed "everybody" knew of Specter's denigrating religion (and then couldn't provide one shred of evidence to support that fantasy, how humiliating that must have been). Now you dismiss the fact that several links ecdc provided already disproved another wrong-headed imagining. It ain't just Dumbo in Fantasyland these days.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 >>Too bad the crazy guy at the Holocaust museum was a left-winger, probably poisoned by the left-wing rhetoric that was spewed out for almost eight years.<< A left-winger? You're serious about that? Did you really investigate him, or are you just spewing what your radio apologists told you? Any actual evidence he's a "left-winger?" The best I could find even trying to play devil's advocate was that he a). was a registered Democrat, b). complained about neoncons, and c). complained about big corporations sometimes. However, a). there used to be plenty of conservative Democrats; certainly many of Von Brunn's age, who couldn't bring themselves to join the Republicans because of Lincoln (most finally gave that up and joined the GOP: Thurmond, Helms, et al, but a few elderly die-hards like Von Brunn never did); b). many leading neocons are Jewish - therefore he hated them; c). seeing evil in the big corporations is one of those areas where the far right and far left wrap around and meet each other. Other than that... everything indicates he's a far right-winger, not left. Let's look at his OWN words rather than others' interpretations, shall we? (I'm not posting a link here, because his site is so vile it would undoubtedly violate community standards): "Early on, during the war-torn 20th Century, the only broadcast networks : ABC, CBS, and NBC — were JEW owned. Today, JEWS control ALL important sources of information (The major networks, Newspapers, Magazines, Book-publishing, Tin-Pan Alley, Music & Recording Industry, Hollywood, Encyclopedia Britannica, Public schools and Universities, the Catholic Church, etc.)." Setting aside the laughable nature of insisting "the Jews" control the Catholic Church (!), and the inaccuracy of other parts (the networks at their inception were not "Jew-owned"), this "Jews control all media" is a typical right-wing trope, not left. He follows this immediately with: "Bit by bit Liberalism ascended. Bit by bit the Constitution was re-interpreted. Bit by bit government institutions and Congressmen fell into JEW hands — then U.S. diplomacy, businesses, resources and manpower came under JEW control." Complaining that "Bit by bit Liberalism ascended" is (one would think obviously) a right-wing complaint. "America is a Third-World racial garbage-dump" Again, a typical far-right complaint. And on and on it goes if you read his site and his words. All of it very familiar in both content and tone if you've ever read far-far-right hate sites. I'm with DAR on this one actually - this kind of garbage essentially transcends mere right and left as most Americans understand mainstream politics, and certainly doesn't reflect on either major US party. But to claim he was a "left-winger" is just inaccurate.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I did find, however, a number of sites trying desperately to claim Von Brunn was a "left-winger" (and the best they could do were the reasons I wrote above), and undoubtedly their radio counterparts are doing the same today. Pathetic, really. Rather than just denounce the guy for what he is, they try to pin it on "the left."
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Oh, and von Brunn is also a "birther," i.e. someone who insists Obama was not born in the US. AGAIN, a typical right-wing trope, not left.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Rather than just denounce the guy for what he is, they try to pin it on "the left." > ...or others try to pin in "on the right."
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan The "others" trying to "pin it on the right" happen to be the FBI and Homeland Security. Why is this so difficult to accept? People on the right don't have to apologize for this guy. He was a piece of garbage, and his main cause was hate. But people on the right also don't need to pretend he was some "lefty" either.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Exactly. And he IS a right-winger, just a far, far right-winger. Most mainstream Republicans have nothing in common with him and are happy to denounce him. It's the ones who either hedge on that or try to pretend he's a lefty that you ultimately just have to call shenanigans on.
Originally Posted By piperlynne My take on this. . .extremists. . .on either the right or the left. ..are, well. .extremists. They don't represent the majority of the base. They are usually deluded or unstable or both. And they do dumb things. As a SEPARATE issue. I think that the "mainstream" right wing media has said many more incendiary things that could be picked up on and taken as a kind of mandate for these people. The "mainstream" left wing media is usually not calling people baby killers etc in this day and age. They both slant things their way. But truthfully, this is not the "fault" of the media. Its the fault of the people that picked up weapons and shot and killed innocent people be they soldiers, doctors or security guards.
Originally Posted By ecdc I think I made it clear that he was an *extreme* right-winger. I never claimed he was part of the right mainstream. I will stand by, however, that right-wing talk radio and TV do create a dangerous situation for already extreme, unstable people. Most conservatives probably watch Fox News and stay grounded in reality. But some don't.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***>>Too bad the crazy guy at the Holocaust museum was a left-winger, probably poisoned by the left-wing rhetoric that was spewed out for almost eight years.<< A left-winger? You're serious about that?*** Douglas isn't the only one to claim this. The extremist right-wing site Free Republic (oh yeah, and by the way..Dr. Tiller's murderer was a member) enjoyed this nazi guys rantings immensely, quoted him..agreed with him in large numbers, but now that he has committed an act of murder suddenly he's a "crazy left winger". Nice try Doug. It'd probably play better on the Sean Hannity forums though.
Originally Posted By piperlynne ecdc, you did make it clear. Not disputing that. Just putting in my two cents.
Originally Posted By barboy There was very little honor in the work Tiller was doing...... and God was watching.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>ecdc, you did make it clear. Not disputing that. Just putting in my two cents.<< Sorry Piper, I wasn't responding to you. I'm at work and it's tough to peck away on an iPhone so I didn't make that clear - sorry
