Originally Posted By WorldDisney I still dont get what's the point of saying he's right wing or left wing? This guy was a simple NUT, period!! He was arrested before for trying to shoot up the federal reserve. It has nothing to do with right wing extremism as much as it has to do with him being a racist, brain washed conspiracy nut. Right wing, left wing, these people are dangerous PERIOD!!! And people here are spending a lot of time pointing the finger to political and religious affliation. And bringing up the abortion doctor and the army guy who was killed seems unneccessary but I understand how things like this leads into other issues. But the man OBVIOUSLY had issues. The stuff pointed out here on that website (which I wont bother to even go to) just proves the man was a nutjob. Him hating Obama was more about his race than his policies.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Again, he's a registered Democrat.*** Didn't Boss Limbaugh order all of you guys to register Democrat back during the Clinton/Obama primaries? ***Racism is as common on the left as it is on the right.*** Which explains why the percentage of minority voters is pretty much evenly split between Democrat and Republican. <--rolls eyes.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I will admit that I jumped to the conclusion that this particular individual was a "right-wing extremist."*** The conclusion you jumped to is the correct one. From his own website; "Right wing websites illuminate the problems that Aryans face. Each day new alarms are sounded, adding more fuel to the raging fire. The right wing does nothing but talk. No plan of action against THE WELL KNOWN ENEMY (emphasis mine). Exactly the advice Marxists/Jews/Liberals want to hear. Even a kid in grade school knows when it's time to get his knuckles bloody." Yeah...sounds like a left winger alright Douglas. lol.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***And bringing up the abortion doctor and the army guy who was killed seems unneccessary but I understand how things like this leads into other issues.*** I think the concern here, WD, is that this is part of a larger pattern, a dangerous one, and the fact that there is a right wing noise machine stirring people up is of big concern as well. That's why it matters which angle these nutjobs are coming from (and why the right wingers are trying to disassociate themselves or even blame the other guys).
Originally Posted By DAR >>Racism is as common on the left as it is on the right.<< <<No, it isn't.>> Racists can be left wing right wing, Republican, Democrat, Christian, Atheist, Black, White, Arab, Asian, Hispanic, gay or straight. Or am I wrong on that too.
Originally Posted By dshyates I think it is pretty clear this particular nutcase was all over the map of political views. He could spew rhetoric that would be eaten up by extremist on either side. He hated neocons because they were controlled by JEWS. He hated the Dems because they were controlled by JEWS. Lets face it, this guys brain was just rotten. Spoiled on the vine. And with his actions in the past, and the views he was voicing now, why was he not locked up? Its not like he was keeping a low profile. Not exactly flying under the radar, shall we say.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<And he IS a right-winger, just a far, far right-winger.>> <He's a registered Democrat.> We covered this. So were the likes of Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms. And there were right-wing when they were Democrats. There used to be SCADS of conservative Democrats, especially in the South. Being a Democrat does not mean one if left-wing, particularly someone of von Brunn's age and background. And the thing is, I KNOW you know this. <Most of his views are left wing.> No they are not. Please show me some of his views that are actual liberal or left-wing views. Something like denouncing neocons because they're "dominated by Jews" would not count, considering this guy denounces the Catholic Church because it's "dominated by Jews." I mean actual liberal or left-wing views as most people understand them. X and I already showed some of his right-wing views. Please prove your claim that "most of his views are left wing." We'll wait. <Sorry, liberals, but racists inhabit the fringes of both wings.> That much is true. You can find racists anywhere. But that does not prove that "most of his views are left wing." <And it's the liberals who pathetically tried to tie this nut to the right. It just isn't so, no matter how much hand waving they do.> As #63 shows, he IS right wing. I showed some of his right-wing views also, earlier. You have yet to show any left-wing ones. Ultimately, as I've also said, this guy is a nutjob, with views that don't skew to mainstream conservatism OR liberalism. But I never claimed they did. You have claimed that "most of his views are left wing," which is just a kneejerk reaction we're seeing in the right-wing blogosphere that wants to distance themselves from this guy. Unless, of course, you can prove your claim.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh I've presented as much evidence to show he was left wing as you've shown to show he was right.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< ***Again, he's a registered Democrat.*** Didn't Boss Limbaugh order all of you guys to register Democrat back during the Clinton/Obama primaries? >>> Good point. As a side issue, does anyone want to guess just how many hours a day this guy listened to his radio? This guy really was a piece of work. Did anyone notice that his prior conviction was for attempting to walk into the Federal Reserve Bank and place the Board of Governors under citizen's arrest?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <No, you haven't.> Yes, I have. None of the evidence presented by Dabob shows that this nut was a right-winger.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***<No, you haven't.> Yes, I have. None of the evidence presented by Dabob shows that this nut was a right-winger.*** I presented words out of his own mouth. Unless you can think of some other "enemy" the neo-cons are supposed to be fighting? And you presented, a voter registration. Which as *I* pointed out proves exactly nothing thanks to Limbaugh and his shenanigans. Heck, any self respecting right winger SHOULD be registered as a Democrat at this time.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I've presented as much evidence to show he was left wing as you've shown to show he was right.> What a joke. You presented exactly one piece of "evidence," the fact that he was a Democrat. Which does not equate to being left-wing, especially for someone of his age and background. So you've presented ZERO evidence that he's left-wing. Meanwhile, I (and X) have presented words from his own website, the fact that he is a "Obama wasn't born in the US" believer, etc. So the very fact that you can say with a straight face "I've presented as much evidence to show he was left wing as you've shown to show he was right" is telling indeed, and shows everyone how seriously one should take your arguments.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder P.J. O'Rourke made a great point on Bill Maher tonight. If our tax dollars are paying for the suspect's painkillers, pull the cord.
Originally Posted By Mr X The incarcerated are constitutionally entitled to free health care, Passholder. The rest of us can consider it a luxury, I guess. Apparently you didn't get the memo.
