Originally Posted By DAR Don't even get me started on eventually having to pay for health care for someone like that.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Well, the guy is 88. He can't hold on for too long. I'm all for taking up a collection to send Douglas Dubh to Washington, D.C. to bore him to death with his Monthy Python Argument act.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Monthy? MONTHY? If this doesn't make me King of the Typos Emeritus, nothing will.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Don't even get me started on eventually having to pay for health care for someone like that.<< But we always end up in the same place. These high profile cases, it's easy to say something like that. We know the guy is guilty. He was caught red-handed at the crime scene. He's probably on security cam. Personally, I think it's a shame the guy lived at all, and I'm sure you wouldn't find anyone shedding any tears if he had died. But most crimes, we don't have that kind of certainty, so we have a justice process in place, that includes caring for the accused. Legally, even this guy is innocent until proven guilty.
Originally Posted By DAR Actually I'm more worried having to cover for these kids that participate in Jackass style stunts.
Originally Posted By piperlynne >>Actually I'm more worried having to cover for these kids that participate in Jackass style stunts.<< I agree. . .lets make sure they put in a "no jackass" clause. ;-)
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Meanwhile, I (and X) have presented words from his own website, the fact that he is a "Obama wasn't born in the US" believer, etc.> None of which showed he was a right winger.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 How many left-wingers insist Obama wasn't born here? Scads of right-wingers believe so. A little common sense, please. His own site with his own words showed common right-wing beliefs and tropes. You showed ZERO common left-wing beliefs and tropes. Zero. Yet you claimed he was a left-winger. Would it kill you to say "okay, he was an extreme right-winger whose beliefs had nothing to do with mainstream conservatism?"
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <How many left-wingers insist Obama wasn't born here? Scads of right-wingers believe so. A little common sense, please.> How many right-wingers insist 9/11 was an inside job? Scads of left-wingers believe so. A little common sense, please. <His own site with his own words showed common right-wing beliefs and tropes.> His own site with his own words also showed common left-wing beliefs and tropes. Yet you discounted all those to declare him a right winger. <Would it kill you to say "okay, he was an extreme right-winger whose beliefs had nothing to do with mainstream conservatism?"> No, but it wouldn't be accurate. Would it kill you to say ecdc was wrong to try to tie this nut to the right wing?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>None of which showed he was a right winger.<< Yes, they did. No one is saying that he is REPRESENTATIVE of the GOP or anything of the kind. But his nutball rhetoric has been peppered with elements of the sorts of things one can find on the air and on the web by right wing extremists. The guy is a psychopath. He's responsible for his own actions. But it is obvious to most that an unstable, hate-filled head can slurp up a lot of the extremist far right rhetoric -- that stuff "rings true" to them and provides validation. And yes, far left extremists can likewise embolden psychopaths as well. Except in THIS case, it was a right-leaning psycho. Is that a fair enough portrait of this event?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Of course it is. Not that that will probably matter to DD. <<How many left-wingers insist Obama wasn't born here? Scads of right-wingers believe so. A little common sense, please.>> <How many right-wingers insist 9/11 was an inside job?> Plenty, actually. <Scads of left-wingers believe so. A little common sense, please.> The 9/11 conspiracy theorists really can be found on both extreme right and left. The Obama "birthers" are concentrated on the right. Try again. <<His own site with his own words showed common right-wing beliefs and tropes.>> <His own site with his own words also showed common left-wing beliefs and tropes. Yet you discounted all those to declare him a right winger.> They did not show that. You were challenged to show some, and have not. If 9/11 is the best you can do, you apparently can not. <<Would it kill you to say "okay, he was an extreme right-winger whose beliefs had nothing to do with mainstream conservatism?">> <No, but it wouldn't be accurate.> Of course it would. <Would it kill you to say ecdc was wrong to try to tie this nut to the right wing?> The guy IS right wing. Your feeble attempts at moral equivalency notwithstanding.
Originally Posted By DAR The fact that this is even an issue just shows how partisan people have become here.
Originally Posted By Mr X Perhaps, DAR. But for me, at least, the important thing to be aware of is how the noise machine is effecting everything from our daily discourse all the way down to agitating unbalanced scumbags like this one and giving them motivation to commit crimes. The fact that Douglas here is following the orders of the noise machine in claiming this one "comes from the other side" (where do you imagine he got this talking point from, thin air?) is really bothersome to me. Not that there aren't extremists on all sides, I'm not claiming otherwise. The left has their fair share of whackjob animal rights folks and environmentalist nazis and all that...but this is not that, and it's pretty obvious that the noise machine is trying desperately to cover their tracks here (it has less to do with this guy than with the doctor the machine so vilified, and the killer they then stepped back from when he actually followed their orders..you could say they are victims of bad timing, but on the other hand you could say this has something to do with them ratcheting up the rhetoric so much lately).
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <The fact that Douglas here is following the orders of the noise machine in claiming this one "comes from the other side" (where do you imagine he got this talking point from, thin air?) is really bothersome to me.> I don't follow anyone's orders. I say what I believe is true. That it doesn't bother you that others here continue to assert this nut was a right-winger based on unfounded assertions is truly worrisome. The left wing noise machine tells you to fear the right wing noise machine, and you happily go to work, villifying anyone who disagrees. Who will be the subject of your "Two minute hate" tomorrow?
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Who will be the subject of your "Two minute hate" tomorrow?*** Well, I'll just have to wait until "Worst Person in the World" to give you that info, won't I?
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< The left wing noise machine tells you to fear the right wing noise machine >>> You seem to want to equate the left and right wing noise machine. Let's see, on the right we have Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, O'Reilly, Drudge Report, most of what's on Fox News, and I'm sure a few others that I'm forgetting at the moment. Please provide a list of what you think the left wing noise machine consists of, and we'll look up their ratings and compare score.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 < That it doesn't bother you that others here continue to assert this nut was a right-winger based on unfounded assertions is truly worrisome.> His own writings are not "unfounded assertions."
Originally Posted By DAR <<Please provide a list of what you think the left wing noise machine consists of, and we'll look up their ratings and compare score.>> Just about every newspaper???
Originally Posted By Mr X No way, DAR. Actually, I'm in the midst of a study that will show how the dreaded "mainstream media" is in fact right leaning. Trust me, you'll be shocked. Stay tuned. (and in the meantime, drop the charade...in no way is the media at large a left wing leaning group, and I will prove it)
