Originally Posted By BrigmanMT 2 An urban environment interconnected to the resort is as interesting to me as a private swamp the size of San Francisco. You can get off of company land quite quickly, you are not a prisoner. I think this is a really intersting aspect that would allow the Disneyland Resort and its 3 parks to differentiate itself from WDW. The real Pacific Ocean is twenty minutes away, 2 sports areanas are 10 minutes away, and the museums and "class" of LA are under an hour away. Anaheim, California is a far more interesting space than 20 minutes out of Orlando and Kissimee, Florida.
Originally Posted By Disneyworldland Yea let's build a slum near Disneyland so we can have gang bangers shoot us as we go into the Gate! Great ideas just never stop from the left do they?
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "No matter how many different ways you try to envision a WDW-type resort in Anaheim, the concept just doesn't fit." You're right, however a DLR-type of resort (meaning a Disney experience unique to Southern California) is viable and necessary if Disney's investment in the region is to remain a meaningful business venture. In other words, the long-term financial future of DL Park depends on the growth that comes from building hotels, shopping and other revenue generating facilities on site. If Disney cannot find a way to increase revenues and profit margins in Anaheim, the property will be significantly less important to the company's management. The outcome? Funding will be funneled into more profitable businesses within the organization.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Yea let's build a slum near Disneyland so we can have gang bangers shoot us as we go into the Gate!<< Too late. Last week I was really taken aback when I ran some errands to the local Vons and Walgreens on Lincoln. Both stores has uniformed security guards! I had never seen this before.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>You can get off of company land quite quickly, you are not a prisoner. << I think that this is both a strength and a weakness. I like being able to eat off property without it being a major excursion. But being smack in the middle of metro LA will always mean that DL will have a very different demographic than WDW (local day trippers)
Originally Posted By BrigmanMT 2 But why is this an issue if those day trippers decide to visit each of the parks each year? The only downside is the lack of a hotel stay, and as long as they continue to keep the upscale pricing and necessary amount of rooms, the day trippers should never be a downside. Once a budget resort is created, or a DVC opens, then we will see the problem of creating too many rooms for the daytrippers and Disney will feel the pain of over building, which they have felt in Florida for the past 6 years. The urban space forces Disney to keep providing top notch hotel services and interesting themes, otherwise families will look to the more affordable options just off property. This location is a great thing for the consumer, and hardly a weakness for Disneyland. It just keeps the resort on its game. Competition is good for everybody. The demograph of the day-tripper is also chaning. I have lived within an hour of Disneyland for twenty years. Until the Grand Californian opened, nobody I knew had ever stayed at the park. Now, it seems just as common to spend the night as it does to drive home. A more interesting DtD night life and evening shows in DCA could do a world of difference to affecting this even more. The atmosphere perfect for the construction of a third park is almost there. It can almost be supported. A small investment in DtD night life and more options to keep DCA open later will go a long way. A third park is certainly doable in the next 15 years, especially if DCA begins to maintain paying crowds during the off season. It should really strive to be the place for families to be during Halloween. It can get that audience. And by the way I like the idea of a park just being open to resort guests one day a week. For a young, small, immersive, upstart park, this could be a great thing and a good incentive to keep the hotels full, the only problem with the weekend deal, is that Disney has no problem filling the hotels or the parks on Saturdays.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>This location is a great thing for the consumer, and hardly a weakness for Disneyland. It just keeps the resort on its game.<< Well, after our last trip all I can say is that it felt less than magical to have to fight the boorish weekend crowds (and that includes Fridays). I love DL. I think its the best Disney park in the US. But the day tripper crowds just ruin the experience for me. This is why we will be making future trips to WDW instead (during the cooler offseason of course).
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>The demograph of the day-tripper is also chaning.<< I have noticed this too. Lots of guys and gals covered in tattoos. Lots of profanity heard while waiting in line. Sometimes I wonder if I'm at Six Flags.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt ^^I've noticed it too. DL guests are far less civilized than they once were.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt True, but it's very noticeable at DLR, where at one time one could easily distiguish between the visitors there and, say, the average Six Flags. I think the AP program is the biggest culprit.
Originally Posted By fkurucz And I not saying that I expect every WDW guest to be the product of an east coast finishing school, but the demographic at DL has become very rough IMO.
Originally Posted By fkurucz Another thing that detracted from the "magic" (and I realize that Disney has no control over this) are the pan handlers, peddlers, proselytizers and other hucksters that congregate at the Harbor crosswalk. Sure, I could have stayed at a Disney Hotel and avoided this (which is probably why Disney hasn't twisted the city's arm to do something about it).
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster What's wrong with tattoos? I'd much rather see people with tattoos cavorting around the park than people who are so fat they need powered scooters. We all have our own opinions as to what makes another person unpleasant or offensive. The single most roudy, disruptive, noisy, rude, and smelly group of people in Disneyland are children. AP's are a close second.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt I agree about the children, but I give them a break because DL is a special place for kids. My ankles and heels do wish that strollers could be banned, though.
Originally Posted By avromark <<I agree about the children, but I give them a break because DL is a special place for kids.>> You know you can still keep your children under control (not unruly) and they can still have a good time. If a child bumps into you, it's not hard for them to say Sorry, I'll forgive. But when you have children sticking gum on everything, using bad language / sassing, cutting in line, and other disruptive behaviour then we have a problem. Also parents it's not your childrens right to be an arse. If they do something wrong, don't threaten the person they harmed, don't sue, admit wrong and correct your child. I don't disturb you, don't disturb me.
Originally Posted By nemopoppins Tattoos-, fat-, and children-bashing aside, I think if Disney makes a third park, it should be something completely different. Maybe a water park, or something that showcases science and technology (not just a boring computer applications display like Innoventions, but something along the lines of San Francisco's Zeum or Exploratorium) or maybe something like a World's Fair (kind of Epcot like but more commercial).
Originally Posted By fkurucz I remember wathcing some old family movies (the kind made on film, not video tape) taken at DL (in the late 60's). What's funny about watching these is that most of the adults were in their Sunday best (maybe it was Sunday). The men wore suits (I believe that it was a colder time of year), and the ladies wore nice dresses. Not a single skinhead or full body tattoo in sight!
Originally Posted By alexbook >>>>Yea let's build a slum near Disneyland so we can have gang bangers shoot us as we go into the Gate!<< Too late. Last week I was really taken aback when I ran some errands to the local Vons and Walgreens on Lincoln. Both stores has uniformed security guards! I had never seen this before.<< I'd say that either you haven't been paying attention or you must live somewhere much nicer than Anaheim. [BTW, "Building a slum" is probably a contradiction in terms. A slum is what you get when something nice goes downhill.]
