Originally Posted By EdisYoda Oh, and customers don't only want to get a lower price then the other stores have, but a lower price then any other customer gets.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "They run things just not very well. Take for example, we have a 10% unemployement rate in Milwaukee County and everyone has been receiving their property taxes. Now did they A)Go down B)Stay the same C)Go Up If you said C you win, people are struggling to make ends meet and you're still going to raise property taxes? Kiss my butt. And this is with a democrat for a mayor and a republican as the county executive." This finally convinces me. You really don't know a god damn thing about how "government" is run.
Originally Posted By ecdc As SG points out, the real problem here was real estate development gone wild. It's funny; 9 times out of 10 when DAR complains about the gov'mint screwing everything up, the problems he's complaining about actually have their roots in private industry.
Originally Posted By dshyates Idk, maybe DAR is on to something. The Gov't did a piss poor job of regulating private industry.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Idk, maybe DAR is on to something. The Gov't did a piss poor job of regulating private industry.<< That is true. Then they are the ones that completely screwed us over.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo When I read this I had to nod. I too felt like California had become a 3rd world state after seeing how things in Europe have improved over the last 20 years. It really did break my heart, majorly. Why do I always feel personally insulted when DAR belittiles government run institutions? Oh ya, cause that is what I do for a living. I have to say, in my experience, government organisations are easier and better to work with than private enterprise, and at least over here, they are more efficient and customer focused than a stock market led business.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Why do I always feel personally insulted when DAR belittiles government run institutions? Oh ya, cause that is what I do for a living." Exactly. I work for the "government", and when I see ignorance rear its ugly head with such gross generalizations, it really offends me because I know first hand he couldn't be more wrong. ESPECIALLY since he works for a private insurer. If there was ever a reason to generalize about an industry...........
Originally Posted By DAR Hey I have family and friends that work for the public school system and in no way is that perfect. And no neither is any type of private system of school or business. I've never said the private industry was the end all be all. And of course the government doesn't screw everything they touch. But the problem is private industry has to be subjected to the government regulation which is fine, but if the government makes any type of error or mistake, the solution seems to be more government.
Originally Posted By DAR And to get back to my original statement, Disney gives me more joy than the government.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "And to get back to my original statement, Disney gives me more joy than the government." I would hope so.
Originally Posted By DAR <<It's funny; 9 times out of 10 when DAR complains about the gov'mint screwing everything up, the problems he's complaining about actually have their roots in private industry.>> Okay fine then explain why property taxes needed to be raised when people are struggling to make ends meet. This was not the time to do this.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>But the problem is private industry has to be subjected to the government regulation which is fine, but if the government makes any type of error or mistake, the solution seems to be more government.<< Wait a second here. Explain the difference between "government regulation" and "more government." In this sentence, they seem to be exactly the same thing.
Originally Posted By DAR Crap you're right, that's not what I was trying to say. What I meant was private industry is subject to government regulation, but was is the government subjected to if they screw up?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan private industry is subject to government regulation<< For good reason usually. Think back, way, way back to September of 2008. That's what happens when there is too little oversight on private industry. >>but was is the government subjected to if they screw up?<< Voters.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Well it is supposed to be democratic accountability, scrutiny by the press, diplomatic pressures, and the UN. Also in some cases, competition by private and charitable sector organisations. Depends on the issue.
Originally Posted By DAR <<For good reason usually. Think back, way, way back to September of 2008. That's what happens when there is too little oversight on private industry.>> Yeah there should be some government oversight but not complete and total control.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Besides the Presidency doesn't happen nearly enough.<< No argument there. Most politicians are skilled enough in the art of misdirection that they can get the electorate to focus on abortion or capital punishment or some other wedge issue rather than hold them accountable for very much. I used to be against term limits, but more and more, I think it's the way to go. No one needs to be in congress or the senate for more than 3 terms. That's long enough.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<I actually just did it with my credit card company. I settled the bill for almost half what I owed.>> I tried that recently. They told me to go pound sand.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Okay fine then explain why property taxes needed to be raised when people are struggling to make ends meet. This was not the time to do this. >> I already explained in a previous post why they choose to do things like this. Which government services would you like to see Milwaukee cut? Police? Fire? Sanitation? Schools? Health Department? Social Services? Just because there's a recession, doesn't mean that the population decreases and a city can just cut back on the number of people it serves. The demand for government services is pretty stable regardless of economic conditions.
