Originally Posted By Blacksheep Uncle "How can you guys NOT be more excited?!" I'm not excited because: "Note: Information on the discussion boards {and web sites] is sometimes based on rumors or incorrect information and should not be assumed true." I think I'll wait until we hear something more than a re-stated internet rumor before I get too worked up about it...
Originally Posted By Capstan "Enhanced PoTC...?" I just hope they don't enhance it like they enhanced Tomorrowland. That place couldn't be worse, unless they they made it radioactive. Bring back the Skyway!~ As for Indy Jones: there's a franchise Disney shouldn't have bought into. Same goes for Star Wars. Indy is just an unoriginal re-work of POTC, anyway. Splash Mountain is cool, because it's different, unlike POTC, HM or the Peoplemover. SM is the best attraction done since Walt's passing, because it broke new ground, didn't try to emulate what had already been done, and it did it, without destrying something that was great. I'm all for improved technology- better sound, lights, even enhanced animation (I'd like to see the cannonball splashes bigger, more menacing.) But POTC doesn't need re-writing, anymore than does Huckleberry Finn. Walt Disney was an American original, whose work should be preserved, not watered down. These so-called Imagineers need to break out of the corporation think-tank let's-sell-some-DVDs mentality, get their hands dirty, and show us something new, something fun. Bring back the girls!
Originally Posted By SleepingBeauty82 If I could insert my meager two cents... I must say that I am in the middle as well. Im all for change but I would hate to see the ride completely redone as it holds fond memories for me. And it WAS the way Walt saw it. HOWEVER...Walt himself said that Disneyland would always be changing and would never be complete as long has there was still imagination in the world. And I personally think he would be really impressed with the POTC movies and I dont think he would mind integrating them into his ride. If there is a way to update the classic without taking away some of its nostalgic characters and scenes and artifacts...I dont mind the change.
Originally Posted By Capstan Change isn't always good. When Walt said Disneyland would never be completed, I don't think he meant it would be torn down periodically. The Imagineers should be locked into a room with some building blocks, until they can learn how to have fun with them, without breakng the furniture.
Originally Posted By danyoung >When Walt said Disneyland would never be completed, I don't think he meant it would be torn down periodically.< To a certain extent, sure he did. He tore down the House of the Future to build the Matterhorn. He tore down most of Tomorrowland to rebuild. He repeatedly made changes, not just additions but completely removing something to build something new. Nothing is sacred in DL, nor was it intended to be by its creator.
Originally Posted By Capstan "To a certain extent...."~ True, but when he rebuilt, he gave us something worth seeing, not this half-baked pablum they're feeding us today.
Originally Posted By DLFAN79 ""Walt himself said that Disneyland would always be changing and would never be complete as long has there was still imagination in the world."" He sais that MEANING stuff like Tikis, Lincoln,NoS, TL 67, SMALL, etc etc etc. PLUSSING the park for the BETTER and ADDING. Not shoving in things. And as for the Imagination part? Well poor Walt was NOT psychic. How was HE gonna know THAT was gonna run out.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice The observations re: Indy being a franchise Disney shouldn't have bought into... Couldn't be more wrong, imho. The attraction is awesome and the ride system totally innovative.
Originally Posted By Capstan Indy Jones is cheap comic-book pulp, not worthy to stand between Pirates of the Caribbean and The Jungle Cruise. It is POTC on wheels. If they want to re-work something, let 'em re-work Indy; maybe recreate Middle Earth there. At least it has some class.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice *LMAO* Middle Earth?? Great... I didn't realize we were going to Hobbit Town with this discussion. You're entitled to your opinion of Indy, just as I'm entitled to think it's wrong. Do me and the other fans a favor, though...? You and your family avoid it and the rest of us can get through the massive line more quickly. Thanks!
Originally Posted By disneysrc It's pointless to second guess a man that's been dead for quite a number of years, now. Even those closest to Walt were surprised by the things he did and said. It's no secret that Walt was looking to "bigger" projects when died (city planning, for one) and had begun to lose interest in Theme Parks. One thing is for sure, that Disneyland was never meant to be a museum and was meant to change (and hopefully improve). Anyone who thinks that Disneyland should be preserved is really going against the very reason Walt built Disneyland in the first place. From what I've seen thus far (restored Tiki, improved Jungle Cruise/Mansion), I'm encouraged they will do Pirates right. If they don't, then I'll voice my complaints.
Originally Posted By Capstan "You're entitled..." Well, if you're going to do 20th-century fantasy, better Tolkien than Lucas, the rip-off artist of the century. And I wouldn't site popularity as a virtue: look what won the last election. No problem about me and the Indy line; in fact, the more the sensation junkies hide out in there, the better: makes the lines thinner for the good rides!
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: My sisters and I have talked over this entire idea and, really, can't find anything wrong with the over-lays planned for Pirates of the Caribbean. As long as the ride continues to promote it's basic story--even adding special effects to enliven and refresh--what's the problem? ORWEN: And we're traditionalists, too! But we welcome changes when they're good ones. This time around it sounds like the changes really are for the better--especially for the Disney World version of this attraction--which has been allowed to sit there without being properly maintained for years...
Originally Posted By Capstan "You're entitled..." Well, if you're going to do 20th-century fantasy, better Tolkien than Lucas, the rip-off artist of the century. And I wouldn't site popularity as a virtue: look what won the last election. No problem about me and the Indy line; in fact, the more the sensation junkies hide out in there, the better: makes the lines thinner for the good rides!
Originally Posted By Capstan wonderingalice, better Tolkien than Lucas, the rip-off artist of the century! And I wouldn't site popularity as a virtue: look what won the last election! My family says hello! Thanks!
Originally Posted By wonderingalice I heard you the first time, Capstan... *LOL* Personally, I think that the whole Lord of the Rings bit is the most overblown pile of imbecillic, boring nonsense ever published (and don't get me started on the movies... bleccch). Millions of role-playing Internet geeks would disagree with me, but it's still my opinion. ;-) Indiana Jones is classic Americana... Fabulous adventure with a hero people can actually relate to.
Originally Posted By Blacksheep Uncle what wonderingalice said... LoDR is tripe that nobody other than the obsessive fans will even remember 10 years from now...(even my former AD&D playing friends found it dreadful...) and I really don't understand the amount of angst generated by a rumor that Disney might be adding Jack Sparrow and co. to PotC and ther-by ruining it, especially after the "PC-ing" of PotC a number of years ago...seems like anything to help un-do that would be welcomed with open arms...<shrug>
Originally Posted By Capstan Indy Jones, classic Americana? What's interesting is, Jones (or is it Smith) is based on the pulp fiction of the '30s, the same time Mickey Mouse was laboring to elevate entertainment to a standard fit for families. I place Indy on about the same level as Paradise Pier: many notches beneath the Disney tradition. Star Wars is, of course, direct theft from Tolkien. I think it's sad, the Disney Company was so out of ideas, it went to Paramount Pictures and 20th Century Fox for material!
Originally Posted By Capstan Indy Jones, classic Americana? What's interesting is, Jones (or is it Smith) is based on the pulp fiction of the '30s, the same time Mickey Mouse was laboring to elevate entertainment to a standard fit for families. I place Indy on about the same level as Paradise Pier: many notches beneath the Disney tradition. Star Wars is, of course, direct theft from Tolkien. I think it's sad, the Disney Company was so out of ideas, it went to Paramount Pictures and 20th Century Fox for material! Some hero, whose most challenging adversary is a boulder. Duh! Besides, I don't think we should teach kids to be little mercenaries, when we already have the government performing that function for us.
Originally Posted By Socrates How many original storylines are there really? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
