Originally Posted By trekkeruss Indy Jones, classic Americana? What's interesting is, <<Jones (or is it Smith) is based on the pulp fiction of the '30s, the same time Mickey Mouse was laboring to elevate entertainment to a standard fit for families. I place Indy on about the same level as Paradise Pier: many notches beneath the Disney tradition. Star Wars is, of course, direct theft from Tolkien. I think it's sad, the Disney Company was so out of ideas, it went to Paramount Pictures and 20th Century Fox for material!>> Oh, and Walt had such original ideas such as Snow White, Pinnochio, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, Peter Pan, and Alice In Wonderland. ::rolls eyes:: Face it, the Indiana Jones trilogy and the Star Wars saga are two of the most successful mythologies of the 20th century. To say they aren't ever bit as important as the pop culture of Disney is ludicrous.
Originally Posted By Imagineer This Build the "Jack Sparrow Ride" complete with the new ghost ship and stick it in Hong Kong Disneyland where it belongs. Disney builds attractions for other parks that we don't get at DL so why change things now?. Why tear down POTC, a perfectly good ride, that just needs tweaking and new technology?
Originally Posted By wonderingalice Thanks for gettin' my back, Blacksheep Uncle and trekkeruss... Capstan, your hero Mr. Tolkein has obviously twisted your mind beyond comprehension, so there's no point in my bothering to go any further with this. Enjoy your Middle Earth.
Originally Posted By Diztwins heres what I have to say about it. If it's true I believe that WDI is doing a great Job, I mean the whole thing is about them HIDING Sparrow The only part thats going to have Huge change is the Battle scene and then they will just add Capt. Jack sparrow Anamatronics Hiding in different scenes. I think that it's basically giving it an overlay but not overdoing it at the same time.
Originally Posted By Capstan wonderingalice, Tolkien is not my hero. If my mind is beyond your kick-ass comprehension, that's not really my fault. All I'm saying is, George Lucas is a wart on the nose of society and Indy Jones is a cheap copy of Pirates of the Caribbean. What I'm saying is, the post-Walt imagineers have a tendency to get stuck in a rut. They very seldom do something unique. Even Splash Mountain, the best attraction since Walt, is, for the most part, indoors, just like Pirates, when it should be outdoors, where it would be more fun. They're thinking formula, when they should be thinking innovation. In other words, they're showing us the same thing, over and over. I think this new Pirate makeover is yet another diversion from real creativity.
Originally Posted By Nobody From post 46: "... Indy Jones is a cheap copy of Pirates of the Caribbean." You've said this a few times. Do you mean "Indy Jones" the film series or the ride? Either way, feel free to elaborate on what you feel was copied. "Even Splash Mountain, the best attraction since Walt, is, for the most part, indoors, just like Pirates, when it should be outdoors, where it would be more fun." ? I don't agree that Splash Mountain should be outdoors. Putting major portions indoors lets them control sound and lighting. It also protects the AA's from the elements.
Originally Posted By idleHands "What I'm saying is, the post-Walt imagineers have a tendency to get stuck in a rut. They very seldom do something unique." And this would include Star Tours, Tower of Terror, Test Track, Soarin', and Mission: Space? If that's being "stuck in a rut," I'd really like to know exactly how the Imagineers are supposed to "unstick" themselves, per your omnipotent creative insight. If those attractions weren't "unique" the day they opened, then what, pray tell, was? "I think this new Pirate makeover is yet another diversion from real creativity." As opposed to "fake creativity," which through your omnipotent creative insight, you can spot a mile away? Go ahead. Dazzle us. Out imagineer the Imagineers. We're waiting.
Originally Posted By Tiggirl <<Indy Jones is a cheap copy of Pirates of the Caribbean.>> I'm not getting the correlation here. How is Indy a copy of Pirates, again?? <<Even Splash Mountain, the best attraction since Walt, is, for the most part, indoors, just like Pirates, when it should be outdoors, where it would be more fun.>> And if thats the case... isn't Pirates just a rip off of IASW? I mean, ISAW is an indoor flume ride and it came first POTC is just a copy, right?
Originally Posted By Skellington88 I just dont understand why they had to ruin tommorowland and the submarine Voyage by putting a garbage pixar tie in in the ride. Pixar should get demand to get all their charecter's rights back and then fee the hell out of Disney for using their charecters in a ride. Next time Disney will think twice about cheap tie ins.
Originally Posted By Capstan In response to post 48: Let's see... I rode on a ride just like Star Tours at the State Fair of Texas in the early '60s; Tower of Terror is based on a ride I went on at Six Flags in the '70s; Test Track is another roller-coaster; Soarin' was copied from rides innovated at Univerasl Studios; and I admit I haven't seen Mission: Space, so I can't comment on it.~ To post 47: Indy Jones, the movies, are low-grade pulp fiction, sensationalist in nature, and not up the family standard set by Mickey and Walt; the attraction is also thematically inferior, and is also too much like POTC AND IASW, the real difference being, it's on wheels, instead of in the water. Same goes for Splash Mountain. The point is, too much is getting to be the same, because IASW and Pirates have been so successful. The design approach since Walt has been to do what's safe, not what's courageous. BTW, Nobody, the animatronics on The Jungle Cruise do just fine outdoors; it's your sort of timid, love-of-money thinking that is taking the interactive fun out of the park.~ If you people are enamored of the half-baked attractions they've been giving us the last 40-years, so be it. I just think, with permission from the execs AND the fans, they could do a heck of a lot better than they have.~ Indiana Jones is a wimp!
Originally Posted By Nobody Oops. Sorry. I didn't realise my sort of timid, love-of-money thinking was taking the interactive fun out of the park.
Originally Posted By Tiggirl <<...the attraction is also thematically inferior, and is also too much like POTC AND IASW>> Indy is too much like IASW?! Oy! Thats like saying my house and Sleeping Beauty castle are practically the same thing because they are both buildings.
Originally Posted By hiddencat3 Just a thought.... Van Gogh or Monet (can't remember which one)....hmmmm or Rembrandt.... Never considered their artwork as "finished". He would quite often take a piece down from the wall and make changes to the painting. Art is never a finshed project. Designing attractions is an art and can be subject to tinkering. I used to work on Pirates and I am very excited to see the changes. I do think it will be annoying that some people will think the movie came first and then the ride. I have already ran into to people who think this. But we can just deal with it and explain to them the true story. The most annoying thing about Pirates at WDW is the drop. What the heck is that all about. They don't even need the drop! They just wanted to be cool like DL's version. WDW is a Pirate Poser.
Originally Posted By Tiggirl Well I really can't take credit. Capstan is giving all the good material. I'm just running with it. ;o) LOL! Glad I could make you laugh.
Originally Posted By Capstan "That's like saying my house and Sleeping Beauty castle are... the same...."~ You're getting the basic idea, Tiggirl. A little sunlight- even some rainfall- wouldn't hurt the experience.
Originally Posted By danyoung I should really think twice about jumping in here, but here goes - >I rode on a ride just like Star Tours at the State Fair of Texas in the early '60s...< No you didn't. You might have ridden a simulator, but it was no where near the sophistication and smoothness of Star Tours. It sure didn't have a 60 frame per second movie, a movie produced and directed by the incredible talent at Lucasfilm (or whatever that arm was called at the time), and simulator technology that up till then was only found in large airline and military simulators. >Tower of Terror is based on a ride I went on at Six Flags in the '70s...< No it's not. Sure, it includes a drop. But that's like saying Pirates is just like the old Lover's Lane rides cuz it uses a boat in a flume. Look at the theming and the story and the effects - there is so much more to Tower of Terror than just the drop. >Test Track is another roller-coaster...< I don't even know how to deal with this one, except to say that Test Track is absolutely nothing like a roller coaster. > Indy Jones, the movies, are low-grade pulp fiction, sensationalist in nature, and not up the family standard set by Mickey and Walt; the attraction is also thematically inferior, and is also too much like POTC...< Judging by the incredible worldwide success of the Indy franchise, I'm guessing that your opinion of Indy is in an incredibly tiny minority. But it's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. But too much like POTC? I can't come close to seeing that. In the technology, in the story, in the scope of the central cavern, Indy is just so NOT anything like POTC, imo. Look, I don't disagree with your basic premise that Disney could be much more innovative in its attraction design. But just remember that you're making your arguments in front of a pretty well educated crowd here, Capstan. Try a little harder next time.
Originally Posted By Capstan Well, I'm gonna bail out for awhile. Glad you agree, Danyoung. "Don't think twice, it's alright."
