Originally Posted By mawnck >>I have no clue how you guys can continue to feel so morally superior because if anything, your party is worse at most of the things you say you hate about the republican party. << Worse? You came up with three examples. Three. Nuff said.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <In comparison, the following week the GOP is going to trot bush and cheney out into the limelight while they stand and cheer - and then hug McCain as they pass the baton.> gad, I only WISH you were right about that, but sadly, you're not. Bush is going to show up the first day of the GOP convention (Labor Day), then never appear again. That's not a prediction on my part - I've read it several places. They pretty much can't have him NOT appear at all. That would be too obvious and too embarrassing. So they schedule him for the first day only (Labor Day, when most people aren't even back from the long weekend and won't be watching), and then he's loooooong gone. My guess is you'll be able to count with the fingers of one hand how many times McCain mentions him during that week. He's trying to divorce himself from Bush as much as he possibly can - with good reason, of course.
Originally Posted By planodisney mawnck, i could have come up with alot more examples but left it at those three. Topping the list would be the dispiccable adds during the Bush/Gore election basically portraying bush as a supporter of lynching and dragging because he didn't support hate-crime legislation. The fact that he was outraged by the case and supported the death penalty was of no concern. It was TERRIBLE. i could go on and on if i need to.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>He's trying to divorce himself from Bush as much as he possibly can - with good reason, of course.<< Yep. I think if team Obama did little else but replay all the footage of Bush and McCain being chummy, followed by listing the missteps of this administration, it would likely be enough to do the job.
Originally Posted By ecdc I'm basically with Kar2oonMan that this sort of "gotcha" politics is absurd. The problem is, the volley's have been fired long before this election cycle. It won't go away anytime soon, because Americans apparently relish it. The example someone brought up of John Kerry windsurfing was perfect. The elitist label Republicans routinely toss at Democrats. (Apparently, anyone who doesn't get drunk while hunting with his pitbull is an "elitist" in America.)
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Topping the list would be the dispiccable adds during the Bush/Gore election basically portraying bush as a supporter of lynching and dragging because he didn't support hate-crime legislation. The fact that he was outraged by the case and supported the death penalty was of no concern. It was TERRIBLE.*** Too bad it didn't work. Anyway, perhaps they got the idea for unfairly attacking their opponent from the Bush machine earlier in the campaign... *Bush Supporters Called McCain “The Fag Candidate.” In South Carolina, Bush supporters circulated church fliers that labeled McCain “the fag candidate.” Columnist Frank Rich noted that the fliers were distributed “even as Bush subtly reinforced that message by indicating he wouldn’t hire openly gay people for his administration.” *McCain Slurs Included Illegitimate Children, Homosexuality And A Drug-Addict Wife. Among the rumors circulated against McCain in 2000 in South Carolina was that his adopted Bangladeshi daughter was actually black, that McCain was both gay and cheated on his wife, and that his wife Cindy was a drug addict.” *Bush Campaign Used Code Words to Question McCain’s Temper. “A smear campaign of the ugliest sort is now coursing through the contest for the presidency in 2000. Using the code word "temper," a group of Senate Republicans, and at least some outriders of the George W. Bush campaign, are spreading the word that John McCain is unstable. The subtext, also suggested in this whispering campaign, is that he returned from 5 1/2 years as a POW in North Vietnam with a loose screw. And it is bruited about that he shouldn't be entrusted with nuclear weapons.” *Bush Supporters Questioned McCain’s Sanity. “Some of George W. Bush's supporters have questioned Republican presidential candidate John McCain's fitness for the White House, suggesting that his five years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam drove him insane at the time.” *Bush Supporters Spread Racist Rumors About McCain’s Daughter. Bush supporters in South Carolina made race-baiting phone calls saying that McCain had a “black child.” The McCains’ daughter, Bridget, was adopted from Mother Teresa’s orphanage in Bangladesh. In August 2000, columnist Maureen Dowd wrote that the McCains “are still seething about Bush supporters in South Carolina spreading word of their dark-skinned adopted daughter.” *Rove Suggests Former POW McCain Committed Treason and Fathered Child With Black Prostitute. In 2000, McCain operatives in SC accused Rove of spreading rumors against McCain, such as “suggestions that McCain had committed treason while a prisoner of war, and had fathered a child by a black prostitute,” according to the New Yorker. <a href="http://www.bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=522" target="_blank">http://www.bartcopnation.com/d...c_id=522</a> Who can blame Gore (or Obama) for deciding to fight fire with fire? Certainly not me. I hate it, but what should we do let the GOP win the elections for the rest of eternity by taking "the high road" against these soulless gutter dwellers? I think it makes perfect sense for Gore to have gone after Bush on such an issue (interestingly, the hate-crimes issue which the above info indicates might actually have BEEN something voters might have wanted to consider). If an attack dog jumps up and bites you on the arm, do you pat it or kick it in the nuts?
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Oh Plano, I could go on and on if I need to.<< But no sense in it. That's why I didn't respond to his "Dems are sooooo much worse thing" any more than I did. To most of us, the absurdity of his original post was patently obvious, not to mention amusing. To Kool-Aders like himself, you could post thousands of GOP examples (easy to do if you had the time) and it would make no difference. They live in a reality bubble of their own creation. It's Beatle-proof. Made of blue glass. Must be from Kentucky.
Originally Posted By planodisney I know you could go on and on also. that isn't my point. My point is that Democrats have absolutely NO right to feel superior when it comes to campaign integrity or lying about the other side.
Originally Posted By planodisney I actually just read your entire post Mr.X. It is down right amusing that you would refer to democratic politics and campaigns as taking the high road. john McCains temper and sanity have both been questioned by Democrats in this campaign. Just to use one of the examples you gave. I realy don't want to get into a "whose side is worse debate," but to think that the democratic party is in High Ground in this area is a JOKE.
Originally Posted By planodisney Oh, and I guess we must accept a John Kerry press release as factual. Please. there were some unsavory tactics in that campaign, but much of what was in that article has been proven false since then. Also, you can't blame the entire party for RUMORS spread by idiots. Do you have any idea how many insane rumors have been started about Bush by the far left.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***there were some unsavory tactics in that campaign, but much of what was in that article has been proven false since then.*** Got any proof? ***Also, you can't blame the entire party for RUMORS spread by idiots.*** I don't buy that for a second, and I doubt you do either. If you don't believe that Rove and his minions are behind these recent gutter politics, and that it is carefully calculated for maximum impact, then I guess we have nothing to discuss.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>there were some unsavory tactics in that campaign, but much of what was in that article has been proven false since then.<< And oh so much that wasn't in there has been proven true! ;-)
Originally Posted By DlandDug I don't know whether to laugh or look away. So, let me get this correct, the GOP is a party of vile offenders against all that is good, and they (and they alone) engage in dirty politics and character assassination. Is that it? To believe that is to believe that the Democratic party doesn't include James Carville, Michael Moore, or Howard Dean (as mean spirited a crew as any the GOP is accused of supporting). That Democrats deplore the efforts of MoveOn.org, Democratic Underground, and DailyKos. That Democrats haven't spent the last eight years demonizing this Administration, all Republicans in Congress, and anyone who doesn't join in on the condemnation. But I guess if it's a black/white world, where Republican=bad and Democrat=good, you'll believe just about anything.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>So, let me get this correct, the GOP is a party of vile offenders against all that is good, and they (and they alone) engage in dirty politics and character assassination. Is that it?<< Nope. That's not correct. Try again.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I don't know whether to laugh or look away.*** Do neither. Re-examine your party and their beliefs, and stop sarcastically and openly supporting their ways... That'd be a start (not holding my breath, though...die hard that you are).
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Re-examine your party and their beliefs, and stop sarcastically and openly supporting their ways...<< There are many things about my party I do not support, sarcastically or in any other way. What I categorically reject is the notion that the GOP alone is the only party that needs reexamining. If anyone here thinks I am engaging in hyperbole, read back through this thread: Post #32: >>The Republican party as it stands now is based entirely on competitiveness, getting ahead, being in a position of strength (real or imagined) and beating up on weakness. The Dems are more compassionate (perhaps too compassionate) and are the party of civil rights, social services, and redistributing wealth TO the weak. One of these groups is going to, by their very nature, be really good at attack politics. The other is going to suck at them.<< Post #36: >>However, I was not speaking of individual efforts, but specifically the Republican Party... It's the party of Rush, Ann Coulter, Jesse Helms, Jerry Falwell. It's the anti-minority, anti-union, anti-environment, anti-human-rights, anti-Constitution, anti-every-country-who-doesn't-tow-the-American-line party. (Don't you dare tell me it isn't anti-minority - I was in North Carolina during the Helms vs. Gantt campaigns.) I am sorry that YOU have been brainwashed into not seeing this.<< Post #46: >>...but what should we do let the GOP win the elections for the rest of eternity by taking "the high road" against these soulless gutter dwellers?<< Post #48: >>...I didn't respond to his "Dems are sooooo much worse thing" any more than I did... the absurdity of his original post was patently obvious, not to mention amusing. To Kool-Aders... you could post thousands of GOP examples (easy to do if you had the time) and it would make no difference. They live in a reality bubble of their own creation. It's Beatle-proof. Made of blue glass. Must be from Kentucky.<< As I said, I recognize what is and is not acceptable within my party. The only Kool-ade drinkers living in impenetrable glass bubbles here are those who choose to believe that only one party engages in dirty politics.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>those who choose to believe that only one party engages in dirty politics<< It would be nice if people on each side called their own party on it when it happens. On these boards, there is more reluctance for someone on the right to post something critical of their party's actions than those on the left. And that seems to be true in the real world, too. The GOP has more loyalists than the Democrats do. It's easy to get a Democrat to list off the things his party has done wrong. It's more surprising when someone in the GOP does so, because it seems to happen so relatively seldom.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>If anyone here thinks I am engaging in hyperbole, read back through this thread:<< Perhaps it's just certain individuals in the party that are causing all the trouble. Since I authored 75% of your examples, I guess that would be me. And what's funny about it is ... >>The only Kool-ade drinkers living in impenetrable glass bubbles here are those who choose to believe that only one party engages in dirty politics.<< ... and I'm the guy who's been blasting the Obama campaign for the whole idiotic house thing. Go figure.
Originally Posted By planodisney I can't believe that someone just posted that the left calls out it's party more often than the left. Are ya kidding me. Also, Mr.X, how can you honestly accuse anyone of being a die hard. I have never seen you post anything that would point to you not being a die hard from the left. I can't even begin to understand what brought you to the conclusion that the democratic party is sooo morally superior and blameless. What truly is scary is that many other liberals on here seem to feel the same way. I can't believe you guys have the nerve to criticize religious people for acting morally superior. we can't hold a candle to you guys.
