Originally Posted By Yookeroo "For Autopia, I'd rip the whole thing out, and make "Autopia 2020" a prototype "smart-highway" system. Vehicles (powered by something OTHER than noisy, stinking gasoline engines!) would at once give guests both MORE and LESS control over the experience: they would be able to choose alternate paths at several points, but at the same time, the "Smart Highway" system would prevent them, without oversize bumpers or a guide-rail, from crashing into each other or running off the road." Who would ride? The only real demographic for the Autopia is kids who can't drive real cars. Take that away and you have a ride that no-one's interested in.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "And by the way Hans, remember my Hanisms book?" You wrote a book featuring quotes from Han Solo?!? Weird.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 God, I've said it a million times here - GET RID OF AUTOPIA!!!! Its footprint is MASSIVE and is SUCH a waste of space. Why would you have go carts in a Disney park that you could drive ANYWHERE when you could rip it out and build a great E?!? I HATE Autopia.
Originally Posted By SanFran Wasn't the original idea behind TL to make it a showcase of things that might one day be? It's nothing like that now and that's a shame.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<"For Autopia, I'd rip the whole thing out, and make "Autopia 2020" a prototype "smart-highway" system. Vehicles (powered by something OTHER than noisy, stinking gasoline engines!) would at once give guests both MORE and LESS control over the experience: they would be able to choose alternate paths at several points, but at the same time, the "Smart Highway" system would prevent them, without oversize bumpers or a guide-rail, from crashing into each other or running off the road.">> Wouldn't that be identical to an advanced PeopleMover? <<Who would ride? The only real demographic for the Autopia is kids who can't drive real cars. Take that away and you have a ride that no-one's interested in.>> I agree. The appeal of Autopia is primarily kids. Take away the control and "danger" and kids would lose interest.
Originally Posted By RogRabbit I actually mentioned my re-envision of Tomorrowland a few years ago, but I still enjoy the idea. Turn TL into a space port on Earth, and have it be set a couple of centuries in the future. It could be less
Originally Posted By RogRabbit *Sorry about the double post, my finger slipped. If an admin could delete the first one that be great thanks* I actually mentioned my re-envision of Tomorrowland a few years ago, but I still enjoy the idea. Turn TL into a space port on Earth, and have it be set a couple of centuries in the future. It could be less of "a look at what the future might be" and more of "we are actually in the future". The color pattern could be the classic white, with some silver for a shine, and you travel through with all these different ways of getting off the planet (space, buzzs, star tours, the rocket jets back in the center up high). Plus for a little bonus, there can be a city skyline of the future between Space and Innoventions, allowing for the illusion that TL space port is apart of a futuristic city. As for what stays and what goes, well buzz, space and star tours stay. I mentioned the jets. Bring back the people mover. Autopia, though I love it, could go, BUT be put over in Carsland one day, modified and more eco-friendly. Add street lamps and such to create the city vibe. The Innoventions building gets taken down and replaced with a United Nations type building, but for aliens to come down and delegate. It's also the front to a new ride that (like Roger Rabbit) takes you into the city of the future in that skyline in the back. I feel TL doesn't have a definite setting. Main Street: a small town street, NOS: New Orleans, Fantasyland: a European village, Tomorrowland: uh, some rides that take you into space and an exhibit on future/current technology? At least this way people can know, "oh I'm in a futuristic city, gotcha."
Originally Posted By hbquikcomjamesl The subs have always been borderline TL/FL, both geographically and in content (mermaids?!?). My understanding is that those on Autopia don't have much "control" to begin with, certainly not as much as they once did (in the era of every single car wrecked in the first day, or the era of the wraparound bumpers). We've all seen the old pictures of the Autopia course without the center guide-rail. But even without that center guide-rail, my understanding is that there's only the one possible path through the attraction, and the only "choices" are between keeping the vehicle on an even keel, or slamming into the guide-rail and/or curb, and between slamming into the vehicle ahead of you or trying to avoid doing so. My proposal would give guests a greater actual degree of control (alternate paths), and the illusion of even greater control (a "virtual guiderail" and "virtual oversize bumpers" instead of physical ones. And it would replace elements of today's highway experience (the smell of burning hydrocarbons and the constant threat of collision) with tomorrow's (clean vehicles on a smart highway), thereby following TL's mandate to show off an optimistic view of future technological developments.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "My proposal would give guests a greater actual degree of control (alternate paths), and the illusion of even greater control (a "virtual guiderail" and "virtual oversize bumpers" instead of physical ones." But the appeal of the ride, guide rail and all, is that kids get to drive. It's really the only appeal the ride has. Your version loses even that.
Originally Posted By Dole_Whip_Adventure If they ever fix Tomorrowland, all I can hope for is that the architecture is consistent! It's such a hodgepodge these days and its sad. I would much rather see an ultramodern futuristic city (TRON PLEASE! ) as opposed to the "retro" style that many are suggesting, but no matter what they eventually decide on, I just want it to be clear throughout the land.
Originally Posted By Moon Waffle 1. Annex the subs into Fantasyland, especially now with the Nemo theme. 2. Keep Monorail and Space Mountain. 3. Demolish all other attractions and buildings to the ground. Start from scratch.
Originally Posted By mickeymorris1234 I just don't know about the subs being apart of Fantasyland when the entrance is right underneath the Monorail. Personally the whole place needs a reboot including Space Mountain. The building is just as hodge podge as the rest of the place. Keep the idea, but change up the track and stuff. I'm sure with a clean slate and todays technology they could do some amazing things that will make space mountain even better.
Originally Posted By Moondoggie Tomorrowland as a land that educates, intrigues, AND entertains, rather than just passively entertains. Return Subs to its original voyage with updated technology. Lose Buzz Lightyear and put back Circlevision with a space theme. Lose Star Tours and put in ATIS 2010 with advanced technological features. Bring back Mars and Carousel of Progress with updated features. Peoplemover.....in whatever incarnation. Basically the Tomorrowland of old with updated technology across the board. From what I've read on these and other boards, and from the input I've received from friends when we discuss Disneyland, that was the Tomorrowland that stands out to them. I'm all for change, and not creating a "museum." But if nothing scientifically or educationally innovative and new is going to go in there, how about just going back to what was successful...with technology upgrades. That's how I'd like to see Tomorrowland. Because for me, that was the Tomorrowland that was a destination on all my trips to the park. Now I just go there to ride Space, or maybe the Monorail, or catch the train.
Originally Posted By Bellella If I could have my way, Tomorrowland would exude a world of solar power and organic living. Many of the old buildings would look the same, and the edible plants would still be there too. Everything would be powered by solar panels on the roofs that the public could clearly see. As for the attractions, the Carousel Theater would either have the Carousel of Progress inside, or an Innoventions themed to the new organic theme of Tomorrowland. Space Mountain would still be there, as well as the PeopleMover, the new electric subs, and Autopia would be all-electric. My new Tomorrowland would show a truly optimistic view of the future in keeping with the original philosophy of the land. That's how I'd love to see it.
Originally Posted By Dole_Whip_Adventure Bellella, I like that idea to some extent. Maybe putting those concepts into Innoventions would be successful and I definitely agree that autopia needs to reevaluate their stinky engines. However, I feel like putting that "green" makeover on all of Tomorrowland will eventually date it even more. I feel like Tomorrowland should always be about ideas we strive for, not ones that are right around the corner. New forms of energy are being researched every day, and very soon, they will be attainable. Once this happens, Tomorrowland is no longer about tomorrow, but about "today" So I'll stand by my ultra-futuristic hopes :]
Originally Posted By hbquikcomjamesl The whole phenomenon of "Tomorrowland becoming Todayland" (and occasionally "What-were-they-THINKINGland") is inherent to the concept, and it's simply not going to go away. The Subs were (as I believe I already said) always very well suited to their geographic position on the edge of Fantasyland. Even when they were themed as Navy subs (remember the Mermaids). And Autopia was never particularly futuristic, except for the "very near future" of the kids who rode it while too young to understand that driving is drudgery, and about as much fun as scrubbing floors or cleaning out toilets.
Originally Posted By Bellella Whether or not it'll date the land, Tomorrowland, especially Autopia desperately needs to go green. Maybe the solar panels wouldn't always need to be visible on the buildings, but they should be powered that way anyway. As for the gas engines for Autopia, besides reeking the heck out of the entire area, they date the ride a lot themselves. Electric Autopia cars would really freshen up a classic ride, in more ways than one.
Originally Posted By LuLu I like the "green" idea but, as an owner of solar panels, I don't think there's enough roof space in the whole land to power 1 ride or restaurant.
