Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<<I don't think it's a personal attack to point out the irony that you've started no less than 3 Hurricane Katrina threads in 10 days and then turn around and talk about how liberals and Democrats won't drop it.>>> I have only started two hurricane Katrina threads. And both of those were in responce to articles posted THIS PAST WEEK. Unless of course you don't believe that anyone other than Democrats have a right to talk about the aftermath of hurricane Katrina.
Originally Posted By jonvn "I have only started two hurricane Katrina threads." Well THAT is totally different.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom So what your saying is that its perfectly fine for someone to create a biased view of the aftermath of hurricane Katrina (specifically in New Orleans). And then televise their biased view point as a documantary on for two nights on HBO. Its perfectly fine for Mayor Nagil and Howard Dean to use hurricane Katrina ravaged New Orleans as a publicity stunt and to attack our President. Its perfectly fine for displace New Orleans residents in San Francisco to have a poetry meet where they bash white people, this country and the President. But how dear ANYONE critize any of these "kookie left" comments. Got it! <sarcasm>
Originally Posted By jonvn "So what your saying is" Are you talking to me? If so, I didn't say any of those things. And if people want to meet in San Franciso, or some other place to bash the President or white people, then guess what, they're supposed to have that right. This is America, not the Soviet Union. Try as you might to make it so.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom jonvn do you have anything other than personal attacks to contribute to this thread? So far the ONLY two posts you have added to this thread as what follows: #22 <<"I have only started two hurricane Katrina threads." Well THAT is totally different.>> And #24 <<"So what your saying is" Are you talking to me? If so, I didn't say any of those things. And if people want to meet in San Franciso, or some other place to bash the President or white people, then guess what, they're supposed to have that right. This is America, not the Soviet Union. Try as you might to make it so.>>
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom in responce to post #9 <<<Got a problem, Kennesaw Tom?>>> Nope, just trying to enforce the rules of this board. I don't set the rules. But I do believe that everyone here should be abiding by them. I don't think the Administrators are asking to much they they request that individuals posting to this board NOT post personal attacks against other board participants.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd You know i think being non-partisan can hurt you so much, when you can't just freeze in the past like everyone else. I think Katrina will soon be forgotten. You may think no one can predict the future, which is true to an extent. But those who look for paterns in the chaos still can find beauty, or ugliness. Unfortunately, this is neither, pretty or ugly, it just is. Carbon bases fuels have changed our environment, and this summer's hurricane season will be geometrically, and statistically, 1/3 to double, last years hurricane strengths. Since all we can really do is just watch, while we try to have fun, I suggest we start taking bets on the name of the hurricane that wipes our florida, this year. I think it will be an L, maybe a J. I have also have side bets that pay 50/50 on gender. Will it be a larry, or laurie. John, or Janet. I'm afraid bush, and his family are indeed responsible for this, for they have kept with fossil fuels for over 40 years, while having the technology to switch to hydrogen/oxygen seperation of water. I understand everyone is lazy, but now is the time to switch, and at least bush has tried to bring up the topic of hydrogen energy use, which is a lot more than my democratic intellectual friends have done as late.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Boy, Kennesaw Tom, if pointing out inconsistencies in your point of view is criticizing you personally, then you obviously haven't been keeping up around here. As for posting standards, it's admirable you'd like to enforce them, but so far, this is one thread where the Admins haven't been needed, not that they've bothered much in this entire section lately. I'll ask again, what's your sudden problem here? You've gotten very touchy lately.
Originally Posted By jonvn "jonvn do you have anything other than personal attacks to contribute to this thread?" Do you? I didn't think so. As I said, this is America, and if people want to complain about whatever it is they want to complain about, they have that right.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom in responce to post # 29: <<"jonvn do you have anything other than personal attacks to contribute to this thread?" Do you? I didn't think so.>> Sure, I've created several posts within the past few days and displayed several articles from Democratic Party operatives about the hurricane Katrina aftermath and their bogus accusations of not getting enough help from the Federal Government. What have you been contributing? <<<As I said, this is America, and if people want to complain about whatever it is they want to complain about, they have that right. >>> I know you say you believe in Freedom of speech and inalienable rights. But your actions speak otherwise. You seem to be very quick to attack political points of view that you don't agree with. Why?
Originally Posted By ecdc Kennesaw Tom, No one said you can't create topics on any issue of your choice. You said "I guess some Liberal and Democract just won't let Katrina go." That was your entire post. Period. That you started three separate threads on Katrina in 10 days was an amazing source of irony for those commenting on this thread. They pointed it out. You suddenly accused them of a personal attack. BTW, it wasn't two. It was three. Here's the topics you started: "Lack of Thank Yous FROM Katrina Victims" "Howard Dean Says Katrina Will Ruin GOP" "Katrina Refugess in Texas One Year Later" As I noted elsewhere, you seem to have some bizarre grudge against genuine victims of a terrible disaster. You don't even participate in the back and forth over whether it was Nagin/Blanco or Bush/FEMA to blame (I don't think either approach is that simple). Instead, you just point a finger at the victims, shrug your shoulders, and say they should've left, that they got where they were one bad decision at a time, and essentially, got what was coming to them. You've inflated a tiny minority of criminals, looters, and opportunists into 200,000 victims. Zero perspective. You say you haven't attacked anyone personally. If you're that cruel and thoughtless to the poor and the needy who are victims of a natural disaster, then you'll forgive me if I think it is personal.
Originally Posted By gadzuux There's another strange ingredient in this indignation - that the 'democratic party operatives' (sounds more sinister that way) are politicizing the katrina aftermath. This IS an election year, and as I've mentioned before, katrina is one of the bush administration's biggest, most obvious and abject failures. I realize you may not think so, and would rather shift the responsibility away to anyone else, but the facts are clear - FEMA as a government agency had been downgraded, gutted, and given over to a show pony producer. The national guard - at both state and national levels - were at a tiny fraction of their capabilities due to siphoning off of resources to iraq. Bush's response was mostly to look out the window of the jet as he flew by. It was completely botched from top to bottom. And people died and suffered unnecessarily as a result. Most of them were black and poor, and for some people that's a mitigating factor. 'Republican party operatives' realized at the time that there was going to be a political price to pay for this glaring blunder. In a knee-jerk reaction to the bad PR, they hurriedly pressed forward with their "money for nuthin'" scheme of free debit cards without any restrictions or tracking, and then tried to act surprised six months later when reports of fraud and abuse of the system began to appear. So yes, we can expect the democrats to play the 'katrina card' during this coming election season. And there's nothing inappropriate about it. Certainly it's not standing on the smoking ruins of 9/11 for cheap political points like the GOP did in `04.
Originally Posted By jonvn "What have you been contributing?" Responses. Such as this one to your pointless commentary. Apparently, you feel that one is not allowed to not agree with you. You are wrong.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Zero perspective." That's right. Painting all of these people, whose lives have been destroyed as criminals. It's pretty sad, but it is very easy, and not very intellectually challenging, and that is all some segments of society can follow.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<This IS an election year, and as I've mentioned before, katrina is one of the bush administration's biggest, most obvious and abject failures>> Total BS and a flat out lie. Katrina is the fault of the local people running the state and the cities first and foremost. That would be democrats for those playing at home. Again, the other states that got hit even harder are not having this so called Bush crisis. It's only the libs who want to blame the world for their shortcomings.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << That's right. Painting all of these people, whose lives have been destroyed as criminals. >> He didn't paint them all as criminals. Why lie jon?
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Again, the other states that got hit even harder are not having this so called Bush crisis. << There are no states that got hit harder. You've got so much emotional investment in saying it's the dems fault that you just make up facts to support your false contention. If katrina wasn't a "federal emergency", than what is?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom In responce to post # 37: << If katrina wasn't a "federal emergency", than what is? >> Well in regard to Mayor Nagin and Governor whats her names lack of instituting their own emergency procedure, not providing any services or resources to their "shelter of last resort". If I was Democratic Representative John Murtha, I would probably call it premeditated murder.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <"Katrina ended any effective ability by Republicans to appeal to African-Americans," Dean said.>>> < ah the race card...the sign of pure desparation, or sometimes just stupidity. 1. Does Dean not get that the governor and mayor were democrats and had their foot stuck in this just as deep ( although getting a pass from Dean) ? This is not ignoring the fact at all that there were things that could have and should have been done better by the Feds and the buck stops with GW on that one..2. Anytime anyone takes any one group for granted - that group should view it as an insult to their ability to think for themselves...why would they want Howard Dean thinking for them. Why would anyone want that ? Now I am sure Howard is counting on the fact that track records on this particular group that he chooses to single out voting GOP are not strong...and that maybe he can 'incite' some who were going to vote Dem anyway and that those who were going to vote GOP will ignore him lunacy. But for those undecided...I'd be upset. I lie in Illinois and in an area that is usually 80- 85% GOP in voting patterns - but I don't want Denny Hastert telling me he knows I won't vote any other way now because ofthis , that or the other thing. He would have been disappointed in my governor vote last time, as the GOP had no one qualified and an outgoing governor who was as corrupt as they come..
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < If katrina wasn't a "federal emergency", than what is? < although I absolutely agree it ended up being a federal emenrgency, it started as a local emergency and was handled poorly by both ends
