Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<In the meantime it was difficult to get from the west side to the east side and vice versa>> You know what would help - how about a people mover system from one side of the area to the other, with maybe a stop in Pleasure Island too. That's something that should have been done YEARS ago - but, like all other transportation issues at WDW, Disney has opted to ignore the problem.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>AAAAAHHHH!!! A giant wand!! Oh the horror! You better hide your kids, hide your wife, and hide your husband, 'cause there's a lawn up in here.<<< Hide the thematic integrity, too....
Originally Posted By Christi22222 >>People actually go to the West Side?<< Seriously!!! (Althought I do go to DisneyQuest once each visit. But it's a separate trip from DTD. So that's pretty telling in and of itself!)
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Hide the thematic integrity, too...." Since when has DtD at WDW had any kind of thematic integrity?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Since when has DtD at WDW had any kind of thematic integrity?>> Seriously? PI had one hell of a backstory.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<People actually go to the West Side?>> Used to go to HOB for the jambalaya, but I haven't been in years. That was the only reason I ever stepped foot on the West Side, so I know what you mean.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Seriously? People defending the destruction of substance and replacing it with NOTHING? WDW really can do anything it wants and people will be okay with it... ------------------- if you look at the posters that is far from true -- but also not everything they do blows, which is the opposite viewpoints making their way into every thread also. I for instance hated the Poo playground as it was a waste of valuable Fantasyland space - now as a queue enhancement to the ride itself- hey not an issue.I hate the DDP as I believe it has had consequences such as menu dumbing down, price rising to match 'value' etc. Have hated hours being cut - Fantasmic only being twice a week- no excuse..etc. Really don't want to see DVC units in GF..want better maintenance on rides and more variety on MSUSA...all issues. However no matter what they do for some they are idiots or behind Uni or whatever now easy to call post before post number 10 in every thread. AS far as grassy knolls - how about we wait and see what they are like first. Is the concept of more open space and relaxation at DTD horible ? Quite franky I think they got tired of trying to be everything to everyone and this is much more famiuly friendly- which getcalled for, yet when they deliver they also get ripped. If it's done shoddily ( like Poo playground) people will not blindly depend it, but most of us aren;'t ready to rip them a new orifice like is happening over the HM queue when no one has even seem the darn thing yet.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 If I can find some respite in a little park area while the rest of my group is off pushing people out of the way to get their hands on a prized Disney ornament then you can find me there. --- I'm with ya skipper- maybe the family is shopping their brains out in the crowds- and I can sit in a grassy knoll nearby for an hour or so within earshot- maybe get some musical entertaiment and a frozen margarita -- yea, I fail to see the suck factor in that also
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<AS far as grassy knolls - how about we wait and see what they are like first. Is the concept of more open space and relaxation at DTD horible ?>> It's not a concept. It's a byproduct of them not getting any third-party support. <<Quite franky I think they got tired of trying to be everything to everyone and this is much more famiuly friendly>> True, families do love playing in yards! Point is, they closed 2 great venues that were very Disney in order to put down sod.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<AS far as grassy knolls - how about we wait and see what they are like first. Is the concept of more open space and relaxation at DTD horible ?>> It's not a concept. It's a byproduct of them not getting any third-party support. <<Quite franky I think they got tired of trying to be everything to everyone and this is much more famiuly friendly>> True, families do love playing in yards! Point is, they closed 2 great venues that were very Disney in order to put down sod.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 You can't convince me for one second that Disney would choose grass over someone paying them big bucks to open a store/restaurant on their property. They just couldn't get anyone to do it. ------------------ take a look around in anywhere USA-- even in the priciest areas-- sotrs are not opening people..the economy blows and isn't getting better anytime soon. Would people rather see closed shops- or worse yet - crap stores - open in their place ? Cater to the vendors that still can afford to and want to do business there- and make the rest of the area beautiful for 10 years or so-- then let's see where the economy is at
Originally Posted By vbdad55 But I like entertainment on my vacations. Not substance being replaced by my front lawn. --- yet the cries for open space hit here like a tin of bricks when they fill any in- can't have it both ways. I can tell you that those of us much older than you also like a place to decompress while on vacation next to the helter skelter. Like some of each... I find it funny that adding interactive queus is 'screwing up the ambience' yet not having something in ones face every square inch also sucks.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper I've never seen any "cries for open space", and I fail to see how any of this has to do with ambiance-destroying queues.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<yet not having something in ones face every square inch also sucks.>> When it's tearing out venues that were quintessentially Disney for grass, it sure does suck.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Since when has DtD at WDW had any kind of thematic integrity?<<< It did with PI, and should continue to do so in the future. Environment is key in a entertainment venue of any kind. Grass ain't it.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt <<Since when has DtD at WDW had any kind of thematic integrity?>> "Seriously? PI had one hell of a backstory." Ah, yes it did. But none of it made any sense, at least not to me, within the context of the larger DtD shopping district, especially when the west side addition was built. So the term "thematic integrity" is arguable.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "It's not a concept. It's a byproduct of them not getting any third-party support." So? I'm still wondering why this is important and why should I be ripping my hair and eyes out over this. How does this make Disney "bad"?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<How does this make Disney "bad"?>> 1-Disney had a fully functioning entertainment district. 2-Disney decided to get a rent check instead of doing something to help the struggling district. 3-Disney closes the district. 4-Two years pass with absolutely no progress. 5-Disney anounces Hyperion Wharf which would be chock full of stuff. 6-Disney fails to garner any third party support, and basically none of HW will be built. 7-Disney still decides to knock down venues that could thrive if treated correctly and replaces them with sod. How this series of events is anything but bad baffles me.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I don't disagree with you that the scenario you've outlined is disappointing, however I just can't find the strength to be as annoyed by it as you are. As they say, different strokes.
